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My New Toy!

Postby Feud » Sat Apr 28, 2007 5:14 am

This afternoon, after extended research on what to buy, I picked up a new toy:

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A brand new Smith and Wesson 9mm M&P. I am quite excited! I'm headed out in the morning to give her a test run.
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Postby Sirthomasthegreat » Sat Apr 28, 2007 5:58 am

nice. I quite prefer rifles but that is a really nice gun. Have fun! Are you planing on modifing it with a drum barrel clip and making it auto? I've seen some crazy vids of that.
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Postby Feud » Sat Apr 28, 2007 6:18 am

Sirthomasthegreat wrote:nice. I quite prefer rifles but that is a really nice gun. Have fun! Are you planing on modifing it with a drum barrel clip and making it auto? I've seen some crazy vids of that.


No, no plans like that! I'll probably get a trigger job for it though, and maybe some night sights (they didn't have any of the factory equipped models available in my area).

As for rifles my uncle just picked up one of the S&W AR-15's, and depending on how my summer goes, I might pick one up as well.
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Postby KingAl » Sat Apr 28, 2007 8:09 am

Far be it from me to ask what you'd actually need one for.
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Postby martin » Sat Apr 28, 2007 8:19 am

KingAl wrote:Far be it from me to ask what you'd actually need one for.


yes, we Europeans seem to manage without owning guns :P
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Postby KingAl » Sat Apr 28, 2007 8:22 am

martin wrote:
KingAl wrote:Far be it from me to ask what you'd actually need one for.


yes, we Europeans seem to manage without owning guns :P


Don't be silly, man. The entire reason we play videogames like Defcon, Uplink, Darwinia and Half-Life is to overcome our innate urges to destroy the world in a nuclear war, hack computer systems, save artificial races from viral infections and own guns respectively.
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Postby Feud » Sat Apr 28, 2007 8:31 am

KingAl wrote:Far be it from me to ask what you'd actually need one for.


Good question, allow me to explain a couple of the reasons:

1) Protection: In my short life time I've been mugged, and have had people attempt to: run me off the road intentionally (while I was on a bike in a bike lane), carjack me (made it into the car, a fight then ensued until the police arrived), kidnap me (I was about 14 at the time), assault me (several occasions while I was a missionary for my church), intentionally sick a dog on me (same situation as before).

Trouble seems to find me despite my best efforts otherwise, and I want to feel that I can protect my (future) family in a bad situation (like a first aid kit, I pray such a situation doesn't happen, but would rather be prepared then not).

In addition, I travel nearly 1,000 miles to and from school several times a year, and I want to feel safe stopping to help others (there are some crazy people on the open road). Further, there is a good chance I may be asked to help keep an eye the local Boy Scout troop (since I have more free time then most of the other leaders in my Church, and since I was a Boy Scout back in the day) during hikes and camp outs, and since our area has a high number of black bear and snake attacks, I would like to have something along to help protect them.

2) Fun: When used responsibly guns can be an enjoyable recreational activity, either as an individual or as a group. There is an indoor shooting range near my home, and I find it very relaxing to go there on a Saturday morning.

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KingAl wrote:Far be it from me to ask what you'd actually need one for.


yes, we Europeans seem to manage without owning guns :P


Correction, only the people who obey the law do not own guns. Criminals have them.

http://www.reason.com/news/show/28582.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3761626.stm
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Postby Weps » Sat Apr 28, 2007 8:54 am

Feud wrote:
KingAl wrote:
martin wrote:
KingAl wrote:Far be it from me to ask what you'd actually need one for.


yes, we Europeans seem to manage without owning guns :P


Correction, only the people who obey the law do not own guns. Criminals have them.


Euh yes, it's against the law to have a gun hence you're a criminal once you do have one ;) (Unless you have a permit)
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Postby Feud » Sat Apr 28, 2007 8:57 am

Exactly. Without diving into the whole gun debate, I was only pointing out that the statement that Europeans don't have guns isn't really true. It would be like me saying that "the U.S. is doing fine without drugs". Drugs are here, but only criminals have them. Europeans do own guns, it's only (with a few exceptions) criminals that have them.

In any case, I'm excited! It's going to be a lot of fun!
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Postby ynbniar » Sat Apr 28, 2007 10:34 am

Feud wrote:
1) Protection: In my short life time I've been mugged, and have had people attempt to: run me off the road intentionally (while I was on a bike in a bike lane), carjack me (made it into the car, a fight then ensued until the police arrived), kidnap me (I was about 14 at the time), assault me (several occasions while I was a missionary for my church), intentionally sick a dog on me (same situation as before).

Trouble seems to find me despite my best efforts otherwise, and I want to feel that I can protect my (future) family in a bad situation (like a first aid kit, I pray such a situation doesn't happen, but would rather be prepared then not).

In addition, I travel nearly 1,000 miles to and from school several times a year, and I want to feel safe stopping to help others (there are some crazy people on the open road). Further, there is a good chance I may be asked to help keep an eye the local Boy Scout troop (since I have more free time then most of the other leaders in my Church, and since I was a Boy Scout back in the day) during hikes and camp outs, and since our area has a high number of black bear and snake attacks, I would like to have something along to help protect them.


Feud I'm really interested in this because Mrs ynbniar and I are heading over to the USA later this year - San Fran, Yosemite and Las Vegas. Obviously we want to stay safe but we can't arm ourselves.

Our attitude to firearms over in the UK is quite different but I can understand the desire to protect yourself and loved ones.

Couple of things I was wondering...

1. Can you take your gun anyplace? I mean you mentioned being mugged which is a fairly random thing...would you have your gun on you at all times?
2. How do the parents of the boy scouts feel about you having a firearm - would you need to tell them and get their permission?
3. We're heading to Yosemite which has a black bear population :shock: . Are there other tactics you can use to discourage bears rather than shooting them?

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Postby Rkiver » Sat Apr 28, 2007 11:01 am

It's not the guns that cause the issues in the US, it's those who possess them. Look at Canada, just as many guns per person, no where near as many deaths per thousand by them.

As the phrase goes, guns don't kill people. People kill people.
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Postby NeoThermic » Sat Apr 28, 2007 11:04 am

ynbniar wrote:1. Can you take your gun anyplace? I mean you mentioned being mugged which is a fairly random thing...would you have your gun on you at all times?


Assuming he has a licence to carry a concealed weapon (you can obtain these), then he can take the gun nearly anywhere. Obvious exceptions come in the form of any place that requires you to be weapon less past a set point (gov facilities and airports spring to mind). More obscure exceptions exist, such as in Texas, one can't carry their weapon, concealed or not, into a place that makes 51% or more of it's revenue from alcohol. Florida doesn't prohibit carrying into a restaurant, but you're not allowed to at the bar area.

You then get quirks, as IIRC if you work in a place with a "liquor license", you can't carry concealed in Virginia, but you're legally allowed to carry openly in such places.

I don't see why, though, given all the above situations you've been in, you just don't carry a taser gun. The problem with a real gun comes to the point when you'll be forced to use it. Would you be able to pull the trigger? What happens if the opponent realises that you won't be able to and manages to get the gun from you? I'd wager that with a taser you'd be more likely to be able to pull the trigger than if you had a gun in identical situations because you know that with little exception a taser will not kill the target, only stop them in their tracks.

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Postby KingAl » Sat Apr 28, 2007 11:12 am

NeoThermic wrote: More obscure exceptions exist, such as in Texas, one can't carry their weapon, concealed or not, into a place that makes 51% or more of it's revenue from alcohol. Florida doesn't prohibit carrying into a restaurant, but you're not allowed to at the bar area.


Obviously the criminals discouraged by these measures haven't seen Pulp Fiction.

NeoThermic wrote:I'd wager that with a taser you'd be more likely to be able to pull the trigger than if you had a gun in identical situations because you know that with little exception a taser will not kill the target, only stop them in their tracks.

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I'd have to agree with that - though you might want to check if they have a pacemaker first ;)
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Postby Darksun » Sat Apr 28, 2007 11:39 am

You know, it really doesn't sound very Christian to be gunning people down for attacking you

(forgive me if you're not a Christian, you didn't specify what church you belonged to in the post so I'm taking an informed guess).
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Postby shinygerbil » Sat Apr 28, 2007 11:46 am

Rkiver wrote:As the phrase goes, guns don't kill people. People kill people.
Guns don't kill people, rappers do
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