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Postby Miah » Thu Feb 26, 2004 6:52 pm

Well, personally, I think they do...

Microsoft is so much more popular now, though, that games that are on the mac, now always reach the PC, but it's not always true for the vise-versa... :(
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Postby Redbaron » Mon Mar 01, 2004 1:22 am

Quote: from Adriac on 4:29 am on Feb. 26, 2004[br]
Not that I wouldn't rather a G5 and a coupla huge cinema displays, but I'm not gonna pass up Splinter Cell just because I feel Macs are better.


You could always cut off your right hand to the dark-side and buy VPC rather than become the Emperor's servant entirely.
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Postby Stewsburntmonkey » Mon Mar 01, 2004 1:40 pm

Quote: from Kanezor on 5:45 am on Feb. 26, 2004[br]
Quote: from woofcat on 11:35 pm on Feb. 20, 2004[br]Windows Best Gaming OS

Mac Best Graphics OS
If you think about it, the only reason Windows is the best gaming OS is because of the sheer number of games available on Windows.

A lot of the games today demand intense graphics, right? Well, if the Mac is best at graphics (which it is), then surely games would run better on a Mac?


Here graphics is meant as graphics design and creation.  In my experience gaming is still better (performance wise, though it is hard to compare) on the PC.  :)
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Postby Miah » Wed Mar 03, 2004 6:09 pm

Okay... I have it now...

Macs==user friendly
PCs==Developer friendly
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Postby Woelf » Wed Mar 03, 2004 7:59 pm

Quote: from Miah Helpmann on 6:09 pm on Mar. 3, 2004[br]Okay... I have it now...

Macs==user friendly
PCs==Developer friendly


I hope you mean developer friendly in Linux(or Unix)... 'cause what I know of windows development its very unfriendly...
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Postby Stewsburntmonkey » Wed Mar 03, 2004 8:44 pm

Windows development is actually quite easy.  Macs have long been extremely unfriendly to developers, but are much better now, though still more diffecult than Windows and *nix, partially because few programmers have ventured onto them yet.  Oddly enough I began my programming on an Apple II that I had when I was in elementary school.  :)


(Edited by Stewsburntmonkey at 6:46 pm on Mar. 4, 2004)
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Postby Redbaron » Fri Mar 05, 2004 12:38 am

Quote: from Stewsburntmonkey on 7:44 pm on Mar. 3, 2004[br]  Oddly enough I began my programming on an Apple II that I had when I was in elementary school.  :)


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Postby Adriac » Sat Mar 06, 2004 6:13 am

Quote: from Stewsburntmonkey on 2:44 pm on Mar. 3, 2004[br]Windows development is actually quite easy.  Macs have long been extremely unfriendly to developers, but are much better now, though still more diffecult than Windows and *nix, partially because few programmers have ventured onto them yet.  Oddly enough I began my programming on an Apple II that I had when I was in elementary school.  :)


(Edited by Stewsburntmonkey at 6:46 pm on Mar. 4, 2004)


I dunno what yer talking about, but you clearly haven't tried much Cocoa development. Cocoa does, like, everything for you.

With a few notable exceptions :P
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Postby Stewsburntmonkey » Sat Mar 06, 2004 6:20 am

I said Mac programming is much better, I was specifically thinking of Cocoa and OSX when I wrote that.  Cocoa is very nice, like VB on steroids (except its not Basic).  However it is still more diffecult to write commerical programs for Macs than for Windows and Linux.  :)
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Postby Adriac » Sun Mar 07, 2004 6:04 pm

And I still say I don't know what you're on about :)

If you want a Mac VB, we have REALbasic. Cocoa is only similar to VB, I suppose, in that it uses a RAD... if you want it to...

I'll admit it's easier to profit off a Windows app, but development isn't any harder.
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Postby Stewsburntmonkey » Sun Mar 07, 2004 7:54 pm

I have programmed on both, in C/C++, and I find it much more diffecult to program for Macs.  There are not the number of libraries, documentation, or programmers out there for the Mac.  And certainly it is harder to code for a very small audience where the reward is very small.  It was not meant as a slight on Macs, quite the opposite (I do love how defensive Macs guy are, solidaridy!).  :)

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Postby Adriac » Sun Mar 07, 2004 8:39 pm

I don't see Objective-C there ;)
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Postby Redbaron » Mon Mar 08, 2004 1:17 am

Now I'm no programer but one thing that interested me was that at Birmingham Uni. on their MSc in Computer Science, including a fair bit of programing all the students were given PCs whilst all the lecturers used Macs.  I know this because a mate of mine did the course with his G4 and he said he had a much easier time with the Mac than the PC guys, because comparitively speaking the Unix side was easier.
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Postby Spectere_uplink » Fri Mar 19, 2004 9:36 am

I discovered this thread sort of lateish, but it's not that far down, so what the hell.  Longish reply incoming. :P

One great thing about Mac development is that the tools are free.  If you want Microsoft's development tools (which are, admittedly, excellent) you have to pay an arm and a leg unless you can get a major student discount on it, pirate it, or win it (which I was 1337 enough to do :P).  I never really got much into Linux development because the best code editors I could find were emacs and jed (the IDEs I've used weren't that great IMO).

As far as which system I prefer, I definitely prefer Mac OS X over anything else, and I'm still only using v10.1!  I actually enjoy using this operating system, which isn't something I can really say about Windows (I just went through a ton of Windows-related headaches on my x86 system) or Linux (improving, but still too chaotic for me to stand).

As far as security goes, I tend to feel the best on an OS X system.  While I'm practically the God of my system when I run Windows, OS X is a bit more limiting.  Users are not root, which adds a great deal to security.  To actually install software that modifies the system library the user needs to type in their password which the installer uses to essentially performs a "sudo" (as far as I can tell, anyway) for temporary root privileges.  If the user doesn't know why the password prompt is coming up, he/she will cancel it if they have any common sense.  Windows, on the other hand, would just install the thing.

OS X is also doing nothing but improving with every release.  Windows just tends to look different (and arguably get more Mac OS-like) with every release (except for 2000, which is actually a good version of Windows).  While the $129 per-release price tag for OS X seems a little steep, you're paying for a full installation of an operating system where the company actually trusts the users.  My OEM copy of OS X 10.1 doesn't so much as require a CD key (not sure about OS X Server).  My OEM copy of Windows XP Home not only requires a CD key (which is stuck to the bottom of my laptop) but also requires you to activate it.  Pirated until proven legit?  Fuck that.

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Postby Mcbg350 » Tue Mar 23, 2004 4:33 pm

The Mac is the greatest computer ever.  I have had a Mac for all of my life.  I started with a PowerPC which I admit was slow and not a very good machine, but I then upgraded to an iMac which is the single biggest inovation in computer history.  Now I own 3 Mac's.  I have an iMac, a PowerMac G5,and an iMac laptop.  I use them every day. I could not live with out a Mac. So stop bagging on Mac's.
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