R there any real life hackers reading this

[trooper]

is hacking like uplink

[sebyg2002]

the OS(operating system) is obviously different but the idea of password crackers and elyptic codes is true as are ip. the general idea is the same and logs also exist!

[trooper]

does that mean your a hacker

[einstein]

elyptic codes are exactly what id call true - more a psuedo based on real encryption.... like md5 and the like...

[Jackmn]

Brute force password crackers are nothing like what you see in the game.

[Starfyre]

Right.

Uplink is Script Cracking. Real hacking involves much more than that, and is usually boring and tedious.

Plus, real life hacking is much harder

[bionic sheep]

And a lot more time consuming, and, ultimately, pretty boring until you get in.

[einstein]

and once your in theres the small matter of doing stuff -

[dajerk]

id rather build security than break it.

[suaciide]

i'd have to agree w/ 'dajerk'.. but when i'm in a bad mood, i like playing with fire...

[bgreene2001]

I like playing with fire too.  But what does that have to do with hacking?  (BTW, I have pretty much no hacking knowlege (well, practical knowlege anyway), but I know a bit about network security, thats what I prefer)

[RedDawn]

let me add to this that... the software like the brute force hackers do exist... they just don't generally have 10 ghz backing them.... so therefore are a bit slower.. its a bit trickier... if you got time you would get to know the system admin... well... uhmm nm

(Edited by RedDawn at 9:58 am on Dec. 30, 2002)

[einstein]

No RedDawn, the point that was made is that brute crackers dont exist in the way uplink shows them (ie cracking one letter at a time) because that would assume the server is giving a response per letter which is simply not true of real life situations.... real life brute force crackers tend to work on dictionary or systematic methods of trial and error - and they tend (with a good system admin who knows how to make a password) to take forever to crack... alot wiser to bypass the login that to brute force it......!

[NeoThermic]

Actualy Einsiten, you half rignt and half wrong.
when it comes to cracking 9x passwords, you dont have to, there is a way round them.  Cracking NT, 2K and XP passwords takes time, as you do have to crack up to 7 of the possible 14 letters in the combination (its a secuirty thing that the first 7 leters encryption is encrypted the same as the last 7 (if there is more than 7 letters).
BUT, hacking open shares across the internet is actualy done one letter at a time. Yes, like Uplink, the server does respond to each letter send, so if the password was hi, the server says no to abcdefg, but yes to h, then you move on to the next letter and try. after the server says yes to that letter, you try the next letter. since this example is only 2 letters long, the third letter starts off with no, telling you that you have the password.

Of course the server doesnt exaclty reply NO and YES, it replies by error code. Also, you must remeber that in real hacking, you have diffrent OS'es and they require diffrent techniques to exploit them.

Yes, I admit, I am a real hacker, but im just that, a hacker, not a cracker, I dont do damage, leave traces of my actions, and I dont take anything, even if it was a list of credit card numbers or whatnot.

Oh, and as a side note, deleting logs on a NT based system [that includes 2K and XP] is slightly similar, you have to know what times you did what, then delete the lines out of the log manualy, but if someone suspects something, this technique is easy to find (so in theroy, its like log deleter version 1).

And as another side note, you can't hack a bank like you can in uplink, unfortunalty bypassers don't exsist :|

[ProdigyNIC]

hacking a bank IS possible, CERTAINLY NOT EASY AND HASN'T BEEN DONE OFTEN, but IS possible. Actually, a bank is more like a LAN, but with several IP's not just one, (duh.) For instance, next time you're at the library, check one of those P.O.S. machines that only let you look for books. it's connected to a local IP, which, is not as easy as 127.0.0.1.

The same is done at a Bank. Trust me I used to work at one. *keep in mind, i myself have never done this, or seen it been done, but everything is possible when it comes to computers*