Jelco's CERN TWG - Day 10: Internet outage

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Postby zjoere » Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:34 pm

Since I'm afraid I'll mis the voting window otherwise I'll do a daring leap of faith and vote Bert
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Postby RabidZombie » Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:51 pm

Lets make this interesting. Feud.
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Postby Shwart!! » Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:05 pm

Hm. Dunno what's up now, but I don't have any idea whom to trust.
The current (significant) vote totals are:
Bert: 5
Feud: 2 (+1)
Me: 2

So, just to make this a bit closer/more interesting, I change my vote to Feud.

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Postby mibias » Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:07 pm

I'll go for Feud , because of the "the seer told me so".
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Postby zach » Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:23 pm

Well, how about getting more confirmed info from Feud, then?

I mean - well, noone knows who to be trusted, granted, but ... Suppose Feud has been contacted by someone claiming to be a seer.

Feud could (in the future, anyway) point out that person. I think this would be a vital loss of information (I might be wrong, as might we all - noone dares come up with a pl*n, anyway).

Combinations, as I see them - and these are just basic assumptions, as objective as I could make them:

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-----+-bert-+-Feud-+-Comment-------------------------------------+
Wolf |      |      | Feud knows the identity of seer, or a wolf. |
     |      |      | This becomes really useful WHEN we get some |
     |      |      | confirmed non-ADA scientists.               |
-----+------+------+---------------------------------------------+
Wolf |   X  |      | Feud is probably in contact with the real   |
     |      |      | seer (why would a scientist lie).           |
-----+------+------+---------------------------------------------+
Wolf |      |   X  | Feud is pulling fake seer, either alone or  |
     |      |      | (probably) with one who jumps the bandwagon |
-----+------+------+---------------------------------------------+
Wolf |   X  |   X  | Feud and bert try to clear the name of      |
     |      |      | either, on the expense of the other.        |
-----+------+------+---------------------------------------------+


I don't know what to make of all this. In the best case scenario, Feud has some interesting info to share in the future - and bert isn't ADA.
In the worst, both Feud and bert should be locked up.
In the middle, we have either Feud pulling a fakie, or bert actually being ADA (and thereby Feud is most probably in contact with the seer.

Summing up, it would seem that of the two, Feud would be wise to lock up in two of the four scenarios (where bert is ADA), whereas - asserting that both are clean - Feud would be the one to keep, of the two (since he knows the identity of an ADA member then).

Giving one point for usability, and subtracting one point for ADAness, the above (while not applying the weights, I haven't the capacity) gives us;

bert: -2 (not being of particular use - except for his remarkable thinking skills)
Feud: -1 (if not ADA, he has info later in the game).

Oh, I am rambling on. I don't want to put either to jail, but at least one of them is a liar ... That, or someone tricked Feud. *sigh*

Because of the slight (apparent) usability advance we have for Feud, I am afraid that I will have to go with bert for now.

I hate utilitarianism. I also fail it - this will with some probability start a bandwagon on me, I am aware. Well, at least I (hope) I've shared my observations and opinions well enough, now.
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Postby shinygerbil » Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:48 pm

It's probably been noticed that I basically haven't taken part - I just haven't had the time really, and also this TWG happens to be batshit insane and difficult to follow. :O

...

So yeah, having finally devoted more than half an hour to reading, I'm not much better off, but I have to say I don't think bert_the_turtle and Feud are shadow boxing or anything like that - my gut instinct is that Feud is *probably* telling the truth. :O
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Postby Pox » Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:07 am

I find it hard to believe Feud would have come out like that unless he had confirmation on the ordeer of him being a special and the seer confirming his identity by identifying that... then again, he could be a wolf relying on us to use that logic.
My vote goes to bert_the_turtle, because of what I've written above and the fact that if he is a wolf, he's a very dangerous one to keep around.
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Postby MaximusBrood » Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:10 am

Pox wrote:I find it hard to believe Feud would have come out like that unless he had confirmation on the ordeer of him being a special and the seer confirming his identity by identifying that... then again, he could be a wolf relying on us to use that logic.
My vote goes to bert_the_turtle, because of what I've written above and the fact that if he is a wolf, he's a very dangerous one to keep around.

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Postby Ace Rimmer » Sat Oct 11, 2008 4:59 pm

I'll go for Kunshu, can't you feel the love. :P
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Postby Mas Tnega » Sat Oct 11, 2008 5:01 pm

I'll go for Ace, because love is the message of the irrational, and ADA is also irrational.
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Postby Ace Rimmer » Sat Oct 11, 2008 5:23 pm

Heh, isn't it ironic that my post was a play on words and that "love" is the opposite of what I did, which according to your logic would mean I was being rational and you're voting for me on false pretenses? :P
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Postby Shwart!! » Sat Oct 11, 2008 6:01 pm

This room is getting ridiculous.

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Postby Feud » Sat Oct 11, 2008 6:28 pm

The seer revealed a normal scientist last night, so I have no vote suggestions.

However, the seer did say that both MarvinPA and AceRimmer are normal scientists. More info will e given as I receive it...
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Postby Xarlaxas » Sat Oct 11, 2008 6:28 pm

Ace Rimmer it is then, if he's going to accuse me of being some sort of evil doer.
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Postby zjoere » Sat Oct 11, 2008 6:59 pm

Shwart!! wrote:This room is getting ridiculous.

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seconded

since I don't see any reasons yet for votes I'll wait a bit
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