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Postby gosox » Thu Jun 19, 2008 8:48 pm

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jelco the galactaboy wrote:Thanks for confirming my suspicions of you being an ignorant retard as well. Now go bother someone else.

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He is a bit correct on the spelling bit though. According to some profesor all the spelling that a computer can't recognize(like d/t rules) will disappear from our language in 10 years. Beside all spelling is artificial and part of an artificial languauge. The language people use can't be caught in rules. And besides the spelling will change if enough people use it wrong. :wink:


thats very true, and really if you look at the definition of language

language - "Communication of thoughts and feelings through a system of arbitrary signals, such as voice sounds, gestures, or written symbols."

it never says anything about a rule or ethic that one must follow, to use such langauge
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Postby xander » Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:00 pm

Yes, but communication is easier when you use the same arbitrary symbols and signals as everyone else. That is an argument in favor of using at least somewhat standard spelling and punctuation.

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Postby gosox » Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:04 pm

i speak english, the same way as you communicate, i see it like talking, some people never finish a sentence, some people emphasize to many words, to often, some people may pause to many times in a sentence, same as online, i type how i speak
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Postby jelco » Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:09 pm

You are really testing my patience, and I am seriously asking myself why I'm posting this.

Writing language is different from speaking language.

Now go re-read everything said before, and if you decide to make another post completely ignoring every point I've made you can bet your lacking brain that you will be declared a 12-year-old, as far as we haven't done so already.

And if my tone sounds overly angry, you just fucking deserved it.

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Postby Xocrates » Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:13 pm

gosox wrote: i type how i speak


Now that's a scary thought.
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Postby gosox » Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:15 pm

haha wow, jelco, i agree with using proper grammar and spelling, like i have said, if it's your choice to not pay attention to what i write, thats your problem, the only reason why i'm even saying the things, i am, is because you, jelco, started to degrade the way i speak, so it's your own fault you are angry, and really i don't care if you see me as a 12 year old, because i'm much more intellegent then what a average 14 year old is, and much more experienced with alot of things, then an average 14 year old is.

also, never bark orders, at me, i'm not your pet, i'm a human being, i'd like to be treated with respect, and i've given you nothing but the upmost respect, i never called you names, cursed at you, or any such things, of that nature, so i assume your the 12 year old, for being so immature, and letting your patience and temper get the better of you.
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Postby xander » Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:15 pm

gosox wrote:...i type how i speak

Don't. When you speak, people have lots of cues to go on -- eye contact, intonation, gestures with your hands, other body language, &c. Communication is about more than just words when you speak. When you write, words are all you have. When you leave out punctuation, refuse to capitalize, spell poorly, &c., it becomes difficult to read what you are writing.

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Postby gosox » Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:27 pm

xander wrote:
gosox wrote:...i type how i speak

Don't. When you speak, people have lots of cues to go on -- eye contact, intonation, gestures with your hands, other body language, &c. Communication is about more than just words when you speak. When you write, words are all you have. When you leave out punctuation, refuse to capitalize, spell poorly, &c., it becomes difficult to read what you are writing.

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yes xander, but i'm sure you can tell, that when, i want to write emotion, i will use words that are affialated with those emotions I.E love, hate, insulting words, compliments, and so on
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Postby Phelanpt » Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:52 pm

Come on, give him a break. Even though he isn't writing completely correctly, at least he is intelligible, and what's best, he's keeping his cool in a heated discussion.

So, if you really want to change the way he writes for the better, let things cool down, and just lead by example. After all, you're not forced to read what he writes.

Edit: Grammar is not me good at today. :P

Jelco: Yes, I knew. :)
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Postby jelco » Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:53 pm

(EDIT: This was not aimed at you, Phelanpt.)

I've pondered long and hard whether I should respond to this or just ignore you. However, I've decided that you really earned a decent raping flame so now you're going to get it whether you like it or not.

First and foremost: the internet, and this forum, is not a democracy. It's more like a dictatorship where the community is the ruler. The accepted community, I might add. I think it has been shown that I am not alone when I say you should change your writing habits (although admittedly my attitude to this might very well not be shared), and according to the way we do things around here, it generally means you either listen to the comments, accept them and change accordingly, or simply leave. Use of the internet and forums in particular is a privelege, not a right. Keep this in mind when reading the rest of this post, as it applies to all of the statements that follow.

gosox wrote:haha wow, jelco, i agree with using proper grammar and spelling, like i have said, if it's your choice to not pay attention to what i write, thats your problem, the only reason why i'm even saying the things, i am, is because you, jelco, started to degrade the way i speak, so it's your own fault you are angry,

As per the above, if I get worked up because of the way you type, it is not my fault. Actually, that logic wouldn't apply even without the above, but since your common sense seems to be of some alienated kind I just thought I'd spell it out for you.

gosox wrote:and really i don't care if you see me as a 12 year old, because i'm much more intellegent then what a average 14 year old is, and much more experienced with alot of things, then an average 14 year old is.

On the internet, you are not going to be accepted because you're hyper-intelligent. You will be accepted because of your behaviour - or not, which is definitely the case here. I could go on about how smart I am, and really I do have a quite above-average intelligence level, but it doesn't matter, because I will not get any respect because of it. This is something you clearly don't understand, and believe me, you will need to if you want to survive in any place on the internet other than the AOL chatrooms.

gosox wrote:also, never bark orders, at me, i'm not your pet, i'm a human being, i'd like to be treated with respect,

You were already walking on thin ice, but this comment broke it like a hammer. Nowhere does the "dicatorship vs. democracy" comment fit so well as it does here. You want to be treated with respect? Fucking earn it.

gosox wrote:and i've given you nothing but the upmost respect, i never called you names, cursed at you, or any such things, of that nature, so i assume your the 12 year old, for being so immature, and letting your patience and temper get the better of you.

I was about to write a reply to this when I noticed the respect ends here with those last few comments anyway, so I'm not going to bother. As I've said before, intelligence is measured here by behaviour and the way someone presents himself, but I might add that the same goes for maturity. And yes, the way you present yourself is the same as writing style. Now, I don't see where I became immature, because if correcting someone's behaviour is immature then I'd love to see what the world of grown-up men looks like in your eyes. (No wait, I really don't.)

And, contrary to what you are apparently thinking, these posts are not the result of my temper "getting the better of me". You keep talking about how you can use certain words to express your emotional stance at the time of writing - add style of speech to that list. Not only can you not get the right tone across while writing, you also fail to see the intended tone in a text when reading.

So, in case you've already forgotten what I said at the beginning of this post - which seems likely because you have shown to forget practically anything important from a post - I will once again say what has been on my mind this entire time: Change your attitude and behaviour, or get the fuck out.

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Postby Rkiver » Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:05 pm

When it comes to it, your behaviour and how you type is all we have to go on. If you don't have the patience to type correctly, we will judge you on that.

When you start attacking others who are thought of as your betters on a forum, you paint a target on your back. You were doing so well for a while gosox, but now all you are doing is digging yourself a hole, and dragging our opinion collectively down into it.

Just something to consider, as your behaviour, if it annoys enough of us, will result in you getting banned by the admins.
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Postby gosox » Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:23 pm

the forums may be a dictatorship, but not of the community, but of the admin, the admin holds all power, he may, and can use all power as he wishs, and the fact that you think i can't express my emotions, while writing, is complete crap, i can most certainly capture my emotion within what i write. i have earned my respect, but giving you respect, i gave you respect when i didn't see fit to give it to you, so be happy, and the fact that your not the admin, and again, i'm not going to take orders from a 12 year old, i'm not going to leave, i have the privledge, to be on this forum, if you have a problem with it, take that up with the mods, or admin. it is your own fault, that your angry, only because, you started to insult me, i merely stated my theory's and beliefs, and you insulted me, and my theorys, and beliefs, so it's only fair, if you and your theorys and beliefs are insulted, and degraded. my attitude, and behaviour were just fine, before you posted, and insulted me, and how i write.
i understand that the internet only accepts people for how they behave, and the only reason why my behavoiur, is not at it's best, is because, i had to stoop to your level, to have this discussion, and you stated here
And if my tone sounds overly angry, you just fucking deserved it.
and here
You are really testing my patience

so you obviously were getting either angry or annoyed, which on the internet, shows bad behavoiur, so thats when you became immature, and let your temper get the better of you

as for it being your fault, to why your angry, think if i shot someone, and they shot me back, in self defence, it's my fault i got shot, because i started it in the first place, as did you by insulting my theory's and beliefs


sorry for the un organization of this post, i was reading the other posts, finding the information to put in my post, and found some information, after i should have put it in

and yes Phelanpt, i have kept my cool, during this heated discussion, only because i know, that jelco, is in the wrong, and i intend to prove this, once again, as i kept my compsure, jelco has posted a anger-toned post, or even annoyed-toned post, so jelco, i have to say, that, thats another reason why i'm alittle more mature, then you, because i have kept my compsure, while you have let maybe not your temper, or anger, but atleast the annyonce of my posts to get to you, and Phelanpt is right, my posts are atleast intelligible, and make sense, they may not be perfectly orginized, or words may not be spelled correctly, or even my grammar, and/or puncuatation is off, but it's still read-able, and understandable
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Postby NeoThermic » Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:25 pm

gosox wrote:the forums may be a dictatorship, but not of the community, but of the admin, the admin holds all power, he may, and can use all power as he wishs


The admin wishes to indicate that he doesn't mind if the community is self-checking. Saves time.

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Postby Rkiver » Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:28 pm

I believe that NeoThermic. being the admin, has made the position of the admins view on this entire topic rather clear gosox. At this point perhaps just agree to diasagree with Jelco. It will be better for you if you do.
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Postby gosox » Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:33 pm

i agree with jelco 100%, but he made it a personal matter, and he shouldn't have done that, but yes, this is geting a bit silly, so as from my point, it's ended, unless jelco, has something he wants to add
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