VOTE - Ranking system

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Should we keep FY's "Unofficial Defcon World League Ranking"

Poll ended at Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:28 pm

KEEP
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53%
REMOVE
11
37%
DO NOT CARE
3
10%
 
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VOTE - Ranking system

Postby anonymouses » Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:28 pm

Firstly i'm an old school player who has chosen to remain anon in this post, due to the delicate nature of peoples egos.

I think the defcon community has become a awful place [removed] since FY took it upon himself to set up a ranking system.
I also think that some players have used this so called ranking system to act [removed] and it has called unrest in this community.
So many arguments and now someones suggesting a FY tourney!


quote by FY on his own thread: "These are my personal objective thoughts and opinions. I would not harm or offend players.
The ranking is just for fun!
Many players are not listed. This has different reasons like they have no forum account, they are not active enough or to new, they don`t want to be in, they are playing mostly under an (unknown) alias, no one want to see them here, i simply forgot them, ...
If you want to be in, post in this thread here or pm me."


Well I think its no longer any fun and as a result the board has become overrun with trolls [removed].
Its also SUBJECTIVE and as a result its useless as a real gauge of how good players may or may not be.

A ranking system needs to be OBJECTIVE and not a players opinion.

But its not for me to say, like yourself i only bought the game I am not admin or working for introversion its just my personal opinion, so I say let the community decide.

If you think FY's ranking system is seriously flawed and does not reflect real rankings and causes more problems than its worth vote REMOVE

If you think FY's ranking system is brilliant vote KEEP
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Postby Ace Rimmer » Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:35 pm

Tripple post?

I voted keep.
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Re: VOTE - Ranking system

Postby Little worm » Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:38 pm

anonymouses wrote:Firstly i'm an old school player who has chosen to remain anon in this post, due to the delicate nature of peoples egos.

I think the defcon community has become a awful place of childish backstabbing and insults ever since FY took it upon himself to set up a ranking system.
I also think that some players have used this so called ranking system to act like idiots and it has called unrest in this community.
So many arguments and now someones suggesting a FY tourney!


quote by FY on his own thread: "These are my personal objective thoughts and opinions. I would not harm or offend players.
The ranking is just for fun!
Many players are not listed. This has different reasons like they have no forum account, they are not active enough or to new, they don`t want to be in, they are playing mostly under an (unknown) alias, no one want to see them here, i simply forgot them, ...
If you want to be in, post in this thread here or pm me."


Well I think its no longer any fun and as a result the board has become overrun with trolls and idiots.
Its also SUBJECTIVE and as a result its useless as a real gauge of how good players may or may not be.

A ranking system needs to be OBJECTIVE and not a players opinion.

But its not for me to say, like yourself i only bought the game I am not admin or working for introversion its just my personal opinion, so I say let the community decide.

If you think FY's ranking system is seriously flawed and does not reflect real rankings and causes more problems than its worth vote REMOVE

If you think FY's ranking system is brilliant vote KEEP

It's easy to blame F.Y in defcon community problems.
But the main problem here is members themselfs,their attitude and relationships.They don't need a reason for starting their "smart" talks.
Someone here is very happy to be troll,others offended poor girl,and so on.
But F.Y cares about all of u,he wishes to make everyday challenge more interesting,more competitive.
This ranking offended u? Then man up,and realize this anger to impoves ur own play.
Do u want to act like a girl? Then continue to make this kind of topics and try to kill the last hot topic.
Defcon is alive and will be when at least some people cares about it and doing something.
What u did,old guard,to improves relationships between members? Or maybe u did something for forums? I bet no attempts were done.
And,finally,it soo fucking hard to stop reading F.Y thread.
P.s Envy or hate this ranking,misterious guy,i bet it's the only thing u can do.
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Postby anonymouses » Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:49 pm

admins please can this thread be closed for replies

let votes do talking here
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Postby Forever Young » Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:52 pm

:P thx to Ace Rimmer and to Blackout!
i will not vote here because of all the fake accounts.
the ranking idea is for fun and more lively for the community.
also only the listed players should have the right to vote against the ranking.
of course all votes for the ranking are welcome!
edit: the thread closing for replies? the anonymous is afraid?
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Postby Laika » Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:00 pm

FY said about his ranking criterias. You are free to ignore this ranking if you don't like it. Also, I'm temptated to delete thread because of fake OP's account.
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Postby Forever Young » Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:06 pm

Laika_rus wrote:FY said about his ranking criterias. You are free to ignore this ranking if you don't like it. Also, I'm temptated to delete thread because of fake OP's account.

maybe close or delete my own vote thread also then! thx for your work here! :D
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Postby anonymouses » Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:28 am

Work on a new way of ranking players based on real data not this subjective nonsense.

If i could write it I would make something like a poker tracker which gathers info from the servers and ranks on key ID.

Sadly I cannot, I wish i could but surely players here have the skills the data's right there on the lfo,sfcon webpages??

I may have been harsh on FY,I understand he has done hard work in his own time and he may not like what I am saying.

But I believe that his system of ranking players is flawed and it has caused friction.

Its like there is a private " old boys club" of people which bicker constantly in the forums and then team up to grief noobies.

Its not a personal attack on FY but there's a horrible atmosphere here and i think that the unofficial ranking has been a contributor to it.
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Postby Endless » Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:36 am

anonymouses wrote:Work on a new way of ranking players based on real data not this subjective nonsense.

If i could write it I would make something like a poker tracker which gathers info from the servers and ranks on key ID.

Sadly I cannot, I wish i could but surely players here have the skills the data's right there on the lfo,sfcon webpages??

I may have been harsh on FY,I understand he has done hard work in his own time and he may not like what I am saying.

But I believe that his system of ranking players is flawed and it has caused friction.

Its like there is a private " old boys club" of people which bicker constantly in the forums and then team up to grief noobies.

Its not a personal attack on FY but there's a horrible atmosphere here and i think that the unofficial ranking has been a contributor to it.


I think you are a coward. You want to sit and bash behind a wall so no one can see you. I think we should just take your opinion and throw it out of the window until you come straight forward with this. We should make a poll about that.
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Postby AIRburst95 » Fri Oct 19, 2012 4:52 am

Endless wrote:
anonymouses wrote:Work on a new way of ranking players based on real data not this subjective nonsense.

If i could write it I would make something like a poker tracker which gathers info from the servers and ranks on key ID.

Sadly I cannot, I wish i could but surely players here have the skills the data's right there on the lfo,sfcon webpages??

I may have been harsh on FY,I understand he has done hard work in his own time and he may not like what I am saying.

But I believe that his system of ranking players is flawed and it has caused friction.

Its like there is a private " old boys club" of people which bicker constantly in the forums and then team up to grief noobies.

Its not a personal attack on FY but there's a horrible atmosphere here and i think that the unofficial ranking has been a contributor to it.


I think you are a coward. You want to sit and bash behind a wall so no one can see you. I think we should just take your opinion and throw it out of the window until you come straight forward with this. We should make a poll about that.


why are you so angry about this?
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Postby Endless » Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:07 am

AIRburst95 wrote:
Endless wrote:
anonymouses wrote:Work on a new way of ranking players based on real data not this subjective nonsense.

If i could write it I would make something like a poker tracker which gathers info from the servers and ranks on key ID.

Sadly I cannot, I wish i could but surely players here have the skills the data's right there on the lfo,sfcon webpages??

I may have been harsh on FY,I understand he has done hard work in his own time and he may not like what I am saying.

But I believe that his system of ranking players is flawed and it has caused friction.

Its like there is a private " old boys club" of people which bicker constantly in the forums and then team up to grief noobies.

Its not a personal attack on FY but there's a horrible atmosphere here and i think that the unofficial ranking has been a contributor to it.


I think you are a coward. You want to sit and bash behind a wall so no one can see you. I think we should just take your opinion and throw it out of the window until you come straight forward with this. We should make a poll about that.


why are you so angry about this?


Why do you care?
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Postby AIRburst95 » Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:11 am

Endless wrote:
AIRburst95 wrote:
Endless wrote:
anonymouses wrote:Work on a new way of ranking players based on real data not this subjective nonsense.

If i could write it I would make something like a poker tracker which gathers info from the servers and ranks on key ID.

Sadly I cannot, I wish i could but surely players here have the skills the data's right there on the lfo,sfcon webpages??

I may have been harsh on FY,I understand he has done hard work in his own time and he may not like what I am saying.

But I believe that his system of ranking players is flawed and it has caused friction.

Its like there is a private " old boys club" of people which bicker constantly in the forums and then team up to grief noobies.

Its not a personal attack on FY but there's a horrible atmosphere here and i think that the unofficial ranking has been a contributor to it.


I think you are a coward. You want to sit and bash behind a wall so no one can see you. I think we should just take your opinion and throw it out of the window until you come straight forward with this. We should make a poll about that.


why are you so angry about this?


Why do you care?


You called someone a coward due to a request for anonymity. Could you be any less of a douchebag?
Now will you answer my question? Why are you so angry about this?
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Re: VOTE - Ranking system

Postby Lord_Haw_Haw » Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:33 am

quote by FY on his own thread: [i]"These are my personal objective thoughts and opinions. I would not harm or offend players.
The ranking is just for fun!
Many players are not listed. This has different reasons like they have no forum account, they are not active enough or to new, they don`t want to be in, they are playing mostly under an (unknown) alias, no one want to see them here, i simply forgot them, ...
If you want to be in, post in this thread here or pm me."

I don't recall seeing this under the rankings table? has this been added too to make it seem bad?

I think it's good to know who are best and most skilled players are,as long as the rankings are fair. I am new to the forums,but not this great game. Its fun to play against the best players on Defcon. FY wants to do the rankings ,then he should be allowed too do it. I will vote yes.
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Postby Endless » Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:43 am

AIRburst95 wrote:
Endless wrote:
AIRburst95 wrote:
Endless wrote:
anonymouses wrote:Work on a new way of ranking players based on real data not this subjective nonsense.

If i could write it I would make something like a poker tracker which gathers info from the servers and ranks on key ID.

Sadly I cannot, I wish i could but surely players here have the skills the data's right there on the lfo,sfcon webpages??

I may have been harsh on FY,I understand he has done hard work in his own time and he may not like what I am saying.

But I believe that his system of ranking players is flawed and it has caused friction.

Its like there is a private " old boys club" of people which bicker constantly in the forums and then team up to grief noobies.

Its not a personal attack on FY but there's a horrible atmosphere here and i think that the unofficial ranking has been a contributor to it.


I think you are a coward. You want to sit and bash behind a wall so no one can see you. I think we should just take your opinion and throw it out of the window until you come straight forward with this. We should make a poll about that.


why are you so angry about this?


Why do you care?


You called someone a coward due to a request for anonymity. Could you be any less of an douchebag?
Now will you answer my question? Why are you so angry about this?


I'm not angry. It is a little ridiculous that he is stirring up the pot on something that everyone has liked. Maybe it's you. Maybe you are the faggot mcfaggotson that is hiding from everyone. You need to come out of the closet. And i like how you're wording of "could you be any less of a douchebag?" makes me look awesome. I think you are looking for: "Could you be any more of a douchebag?"

You're welcome. Sorry that ROFL, dotch, and I raped you everytime you played. Is that why we dont see you playing anymore?
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Postby Eral » Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:51 am

Endless wrote:
anonymouses wrote:Work on a new way of ranking players based on real data not this subjective nonsense.

If i could write it I would make something like a poker tracker which gathers info from the servers and ranks on key ID.

Sadly I cannot, I wish i could but surely players here have the skills the data's right there on the lfo,sfcon webpages??

I may have been harsh on FY,I understand he has done hard work in his own time and he may not like what I am saying.

But I believe that his system of ranking players is flawed and it has caused friction.

Its like there is a private " old boys club" of people which bicker constantly in the forums and then team up to grief noobies.

Its not a personal attack on FY but there's a horrible atmosphere here and i think that the unofficial ranking has been a contributor to it.


I think you are a coward. You want to sit and bash behind a wall so no one can see you. I think we should just take your opinion and throw it out of the window until you come straight forward with this. We should make a poll about that.


Oh dears, are we married? Who forgot to push the dishes? hahahahahaha!

Let him do his new regular professional ranking. It will be like an opposition between all the boxing belts ^^. Why not! All the great compet began like it. Even in chess! I'm just permitting myself to agree partly with an assomption of this anonymous guy. About the "old boy club" wich i call the "old guard". It's easier for us to stick together, yeah that's right. But after 1000 games you are tired of giving lessons to noobs there are more pretentious that you'll never will be. I play regularly with these new players. I have fun with them (notice i milited with other guy for a defcon school. Most of players than you call old boys, wrote fabulous azrticle there and did excellent videos about ides you'll never have. Never.). But most of them knows all even before you speak. Plays irregularly and some times are offensive against you. I'm tired of that. really. I don't give any real importance to ranking. But i like to see me in this. Why? Because for a new player, wich has seen it is more often open to hear you and be a respectable player than without. I have no more pity for them. I'm open like the most of the old guard to play with anyone. We're not a clan or a club. It's all open. But i joined the idea of MrMot. No more pity. The harsh way is the best way. What do you thin we did at the beggining. It was the hard school. Everyone new could became a respected player. I think particularly to newer players than me like R3D or Laïka. And finally i dont' see why it's a problem for you. Everyone is welcome. But we keep the privilege of the lenght of service and the right to an ego trip when in the mood. Particularly i don't understand how this ranking system caused friction like you said! How? The horrible atmosphere about what you're speaking is probably more given by this sort of futile criticism (do your ranking list and speak after) than by such a futile ranking list. If you can explain me, i call you master and will vote for your opinion.

About potential harassment. We are here to fight. It's a kind of competitive game. That's the matter. You can't avoid it. And sometimes (i said sometimes) you have no other way to make understable your own usefull criticism to another player. Luckily, we have exceptionnal moderators (= 10$, ty in pm.). I'm personnaly less agressed by old players even when i dont' know them (provocations are ok until a certain point - psychological warfare) than by the "noobs". Finally there is two king of games: serious and free. Serious game have lots of tension. As i remember i know what it did to play with an ally wich has not idea of what means the "cooperation". There are there elaborate strategies, incredible turn over, special tactics, inventions (like the recent use of blind nuking rule or anti blind nuke system). You know what. That's all possible because ther are on the forum such a list where player plays for the first place and do extreme thing on tourney. WITH OLD BOYS/GIRLS like us.

Finally we saw recently players wich totally do not care about other peoples, think that, because we are behind a cpu, we are no more human and everything is possible. Oh man, most of them are new players and i dont' want to be their parents. And have no life to act such a so childish way. It's nice we can keep old players there and have fun together. But there is a difference between sport and real life. I'm sure you understand it in your far far wise understandability! Long time ago we did a list to punish players they screw game. Because it's screw our pleasure. It's screwing our time. I dont' permit anyone to lose my time. I do it myself very well. And i choosed it.

Like a very appreciated member of the old guard said a day: "I love you all". Fight with this spirit. The rest is futile.
And if you do not agree with this.
You're welcome on the battlefield to explain your point of view. Maybe i can learn something new from you?

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