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Launching all nukes at once?

Postby jmr1068204 » Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:46 pm

Hello all...I'm a newbie here and just purchased DEFCON a couple of days ago. I'm really enjoying the strategy required to win, especially against the computer opponents. However, I do have a question. I read through the forum before I even joined the forum - and many of the questions I have seen are regarding a "red button that launches all nukes with one push/click." I have read a lot of the questions that, yes, do seem to constantly repeat because they never seem to actually get answered. This same question is the "one button to launch all nukes at once" question. I've seem users 'flamed' for asking a question about a potential single button to do so...and the flaming users told them to "search the forum and look at all of the topics about the red button." Well, I have searched most of these questions regarding it. All of them seem to just point to other threads in a never-ending approach, but they never actually HAVE a real answer to the question. The universal answer, it seems, is "search the forum." To which there seems to be no real answers to this question, and that is why I'm posting it again here.

What I have found...is one picture within a thread on this forum, which shows some kind of USB controller with a big red launch button and what looks to be a few other switches/buttons on it. Apparently named "the big red presidential button" or whatever most people refer to it as. Obviously a hardware version. I see all kinds of mods, people talking about hacking specific files, etc. So...why is it that people do not seem to think that a software version of the "red button" within the DEFCON program itself can be made? Is there an issue within the program that blocks creating/using such a feature? Mods take advantage of the program and allow otherwise non-standard features to be performed by the original game software. So I'm wondering: why exactly hasn't anyone created an actual mod to automatically launch all nukes at the same time...perhaps automatically targeting the largest cities first, with the right amount of nukes to take out the entire city in itself? (e.g. 5 nukes for 4.5 million people, for instance...to completely destroy the entire city. Afterwards, launching on a new city with the remaining nukes left). If you are playing against a country halfway around the world...you could realistically launch about 20 nukes from even a single launcher before the other country's nukes would even make it to yours. I'm not well-versed with creating mods or editing the program files as of yet - but it seems to be just a matter of the features of the game being switched around and linked within the game itself. I'm sure it's probably not a "walk in the park" to do...but isn't this realistically possible to make a single button inside of the game control panel that would launch all nukes at targets? In various threads, I have read where some people have stated that there "really isn't a need" for such a button. However...half of the forum seems to differ on the topic and most of the people actually want one. When playing against the computer as a single player (especially against multiple computer players)...they launch just about all of their nukes at once, in tandem. For the human users...this is pretty unfair because we can't do this. So...to clear this up completely for myself and past/future users who have asked and will ask this question: Why has a software version of this 'one button' within the game not been created to make things fair when playing against multiple computer opponents?

Note: I didn't list this in the "mods" section because I'm not sure if it would be a complete mod in itself, or just a matter of editing the game software itself. So, I just put it here in the general section, since it is just a general discussion at the time.

Thanks. :D
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Postby tllotpfkamvpe » Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:54 pm

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Postby ynbniar » Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:57 pm

jmr1068204...are you a sock puppet :?:

Tell the truth now... :wink:
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Postby jmr1068204 » Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:07 pm

tllotpfkamvpe wrote:HAHAHA Great first post. If you want to have a one button to launch all nukes, it already exists. It's called leave the game button. Let the cpu take over for you and it will launch all the nukes and u can come back after. :lol: That will probably be as useful as having a button to launch all your nukes for you cause most of the times i prefer full control over where my nukes go.

Edit: You do know the computer always launches at 1.5 hours right? You can easily launch just before 1.5hr and all your nukes will get thru.




Well...isn't half of the fun in actually being your own user (without having the computer play the computer, for instance)...but yet also being able to see as many of your nukes headed toward the enemy as possible? For most of us...it is a matter of slowing to the slowest real-time setting...placing all of our subs, ships, silos, radar facilities...and then telling our naval forces where to go; then after all of that, hitting the 'fast' button and painstakingly launching one silo at a time, at the appropriate time. Meanwhile, for every 3 or 4 nukes we launch from a single silo at a time...the computer has launched 20 ICBM's at us and we end up dying immediately afterwards without using all of the nukes. I don't think such a button would be that incredibly harmful...it would still be optional to use. :D But for computer playing, it sure would save a ton of time and would still keep things fun. It would allow a chance to win against multiple computer opponents. For the most part...a lot of the users who are playing online games...they don't even put up as much competition as the computer does. There are a few really good players out there. I've picked up on this game pretty well, but still...I've seen where even the best players fall to the computer AI launching all at once. We know that both users have to have the same mods and such on their computer, for it to work in an online game...so it wouldn't exactly be possible to 'cheat' without both people having the same feature.
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Postby jmr1068204 » Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:11 pm

ynbniar wrote:jmr1068204...are you a sock puppet :?:

Tell the truth now... :wink:



No, not a sock puppet...just a genuine newbie that has gotten really addicted to this game in a matter of 2-3 days of demo and full-version playing. I've been using some of the mods, as well..which are pretty cool. I'd still like to see someone come up with a "launch all nukes" button, though. :wink: haha
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Postby tllotpfkamvpe » Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:22 pm

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Postby Rogviler » Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:20 pm

tllotpfkamvpe wrote:May I point you to this thread, vs 5 allied cpus, that I invented/discovered.


Of course, you joined the forum two months after that contest started and somehow went back in time...

Could you possibly go back again and make sure Crystal Pepsi stays on the market?

Thanks.

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Postby bert_the_turtle » Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:30 pm

Remember that this is his second username here.
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Postby Ace Rimmer » Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:13 pm

Well, if you want to get technical, MVPE did bring it up first but only in the context of one game and during a game. I brought it up on the forum and then Rogviler made the ongoing tourney thread.

Ace Rimmer wrote:Heh, just barely. I shall have my crown back... :wink:
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Also MVPE asked me if I could win against 5 Allied CPU's and of course said yes. Here's the result. Afterwards, he said he'd never tried it. Guess he didn't realize the points are in your favor. Didnt even touch Africa, or the Americas.

Anyway, wasn't going for a big score, just proving five CPU's can't win. I await your repsonse MVPE
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To which MVPE replied:
Rising Thunder MVP wrote:
Ace Rimmer wrote:Anyway, wasn't going for a big score, just proving five CPU's can't win. I await your repsonse MVPE



No anyway, the challenge was for you to outperform me against 5 cpus. When I get a chance I will post my 400+ score.
prick wrote:Pft! Anyone can beat five allied CPUs with default or genocide scoring. Show me that you can do it with Survivor scoring, and I will be impressed. ;)

xander


The same goes for you. I want to see 400+!


MVPE wanted a 1v1 (him v 5 CPU's vs. myself v 5 CPU's). I just happened to mention it here first, and Rogviler took off with the idea.
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Postby tllotpfkamvpe » Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:58 pm

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Postby Ace Rimmer » Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:53 pm

tllotpfkamvpe wrote:Next comes the "view the game while joining the game thanks to Ace Rimmer" :roll: :roll: Ok Why not steal other people creative ideas. It happens everywhere :roll: :cry:

We've already had that argument and agreed that you didn't share it with anybody and I didn't get the idea from you. :wink:

In short, if it ain't documented, you didn't do it. :P
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Postby bert_the_turtle » Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:54 pm

Pfft. Go away with your "everybody is stealing my ideas" paranoia :)
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Postby tllotpfkamvpe » Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:57 pm

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Postby jmr1068204 » Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:21 pm

Okay, so let me ask this, then...


Is it possible for me to code such a button into the DEFCON program itself, to launch all nukes at once? Or...is there something in the program that prevents one from doing this?
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Postby bert_the_turtle » Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:28 pm

There is nothing unusual Defcon does to prevent you from doing this. But it doesn't do anything to help you, either, so you'd need advanced cracking skills, disassembling the binary and adding new code on that level. And you would not be allowed to publish your work.

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