The bottom of the biscuit tin....

[ynbniar]

There have not been any new tactical threads for a while...

I wonder if this is because players have decided to keep their tactics to themselves, or is it because all the best tactics have been revealed?

I wonder....

I'll try to kick things off again....


Can Europe successfully defend itself against simultaneous Defcon1 attack from USSR and Africa??? Bomber swarm incoming from the NE (USSR carriers) + bomber swarm from the south (African airbases) + ICBM launch from USSR + ICBM launch from North Africa + sub launch from Baltic Sea subs + sub launch from off the coast of Portugal.

I don't think you can and suspect that if you are Europe you MUST ally with USSR?

Tell me I'm wrong.

[Ace Rimmer]

I think in that situation it depends on how good the players are. So yes and no.

If I am Europe not allied with USSR, then at the moment of Defcon 1, there are twelve subs and multiple bombers (already airborne) targeting anything and everything Russian. Russia is the biggest threat to Europe in my opinion. At the same time, I would have fighters in the air to intercept bombers from both Africa and Russia. As for the subs, of my bombers that launched and now in naval mode would be re-assigned subs as targets with battleships moving in, as well as spent subs in active mode.

You would most certainly take heavy damage and heavy casualties, but might be able to pull off even a win if other players take advantage of Russia/Africa during their launch, especially if Africa/Russia only focus on your cities and leave your silos/bases alone.

Having said that, you would have to be very quick, and very alert to all incoming units.

I have been in similar situations many times and done well.

[ynbniar]

I have been in similar situations many times and done well.

Cheers.

What stumps me is USSR sets up a defensive line of destroyers...so the bombers coming in from the NE can't easily be stopped with fighters because they are protected by the naval units and nearby silos.

Africa's bombers can launch from deep within their territory.

If you've done well...well played.

[Ace Rimmer]

I've done horrible as well in that situation. But experience has taught me that if you're Europe and not allied with Russia, then Russia is priority one at all costs. Plus, if at Defcon 1 the Russian silos go to launch mode, its isn't long before they disappear. If that happens, even if you get pounded, you are closer to those juicy Russian cities than anybody else and can nuke them first.

As Europe vs Russia, I typically set up a defensive line of battleships with subs just behind (all 12 in range of everything my radar can see) and carriers behind that, expecting the same setup against me (as Europe). I will Launch bombers at defcon 3 and take out as many naval ships from a safe distance as possible.

The key is to effectively micromanage (i.e., not letting the units pick the targets for you). Sending fighters against incoming bombers, bombers against Battleships/Carriers as appropriate, and your battleships against enemy fighters (then other ships), and making use of subs after they unload their nukes. Letting fighters attack fighters etc can cost you killing two or three bombers x how ever many fighters you're wasting against other fighters. In most cases, that's what the other guy is doing (fighter vs fighter, etc) and you can get more of your nukes launched against him than he can against you.

Also, while the nukes are flying, I tend to scout into Siberia by sending bombers across the USSR and hope that the other guy ignores them enough to let me 'find' his other installations, usually bases, and thus get rid of them as quickly as possible.

[Gen. Ripper]

There have not been any new tactical threads for a while...

I wonder if this is because players have decided to keep their tactics to themselves, or is it because all the best tactics have been revealed?

I wonder....

mmm well....i use nuke's to target clusters of ships (works best in atlantic, or other high traffic area's) also....on a side note..only use bomber based nukes, since they can be aimed in front of target to compensate for movment...if you use a silo/Sub nuke, it fire's at last position...


not sure about posting this one dont want to lose this advantage...but only new player's etc I assume dont know this...its common sense eh...

also...radar works from defcon 4, not 5....so deploy your radars to scout your close targets, once defcon 4 hits, use a ruler (or in my case my fingers on screen) to measure the range of your enemy radar's then you can deploy outside their radar range....and a silo off radar is much better then on your enemy's radar....

[ynbniar]

mmm well....i use nuke's to target clusters of ships (works best in atlantic, or other high traffic area's) also....on a side note..only use bomber based nukes, since they can be aimed in front of target to compensate for movment...if you use a silo/Sub nuke, it fire's at last position...


not sure about posting this one dont want to lose this advantage...but only new player's etc I assume dont know this...its common sense eh...

I use bomber nukes a lot more now against naval units and have found it surprises a lot of folk...I think some players see it as a waste of nukes but naval superiority is key to a succesful game. Also, if you can get your bombers back there are plenty nukes in reserve on carriers.

[Weps]

I use bomber nukes a lot more now against naval units and have found it surprises a lot of folk...I think some players see it as a waste of nukes but naval superiority is key to a succesful game. Also, if you can get your bombers back there are plenty nukes in reserve on carriers.

Step up and start nuking bombers =]

[ynbniar]

I use bomber nukes a lot more now against naval units and have found it surprises a lot of folk...I think some players see it as a waste of nukes but naval superiority is key to a succesful game. Also, if you can get your bombers back there are plenty nukes in reserve on carriers.

Step up and start nuking bombers =]

Haven't seen that...sounds tricky...

[Gen. Ripper]

"Bump"

sooo.....any new tactics around,

im pritty sure that all the "game" tactics have been covered and mastered,

if two people meet, of equal skill, or rather equal tactical knowledge (which I dont think is too hard to master in Defcon, not to claim im the best player, but that compent players know how to react in a naval fight) then the next level which will seperate their skill levels will be "people" skills...

or rather the ability to manipulate your allies and enemys to your advantage.

So, whats your view on my assestment of the "tactical" situation now?
(of course there is always the random chance and luck in naval combat, but thats not skill dependent...imho)

[Grim_Reaper]

Yeah, I've been thinking the exact same things as you, General. Only I think it's a bit of a stretch to say it's about how well you can manipulate people. I believe it's more a case of predicting the actions of your adversaries, and where and when you strike.

[caranthir.pkk]

There have not been any new tactical threads for a while...

I wonder if this is because players have decided to keep their tactics to themselves, or is it because all the best tactics have been revealed?

I wonder....

I'll try to kick things off again....


Can Europe successfully defend itself against simultaneous Defcon1 attack from USSR and Africa??? Bomber swarm incoming from the NE (USSR carriers) + bomber swarm from the south (African airbases) + ICBM launch from USSR + ICBM launch from North Africa + sub launch from Baltic Sea subs + sub launch from off the coast of Portugal.

I don't think you can and suspect that if you are Europe you MUST ally with USSR?

Tell me I'm wrong.

Actually I had exactly the Europe vs everyone situation in today's tournament game. I went all out and shot in all directions (silos at SA/NA/Africa - Subs at Russia - Bombers on Africa/Russia). I got lucky and my silos managed to launch almost everything before I was vaporized.

Moral of the story:
As Europe - shoot early.

[Radiant Caligula]

I use bomber nukes a lot more now against naval units and have found it surprises a lot of folk...I think some players see it as a waste of nukes but naval superiority is key to a succesful game. Also, if you can get your bombers back there are plenty nukes in reserve on carriers.

Step up and start nuking bombers =]

Haven't seen that...sounds tricky...

I counter bomb bombers all the time. Sometimes I enjoy sniping single bombers just for the heck of it, but if you spot a large formation of incoming bombers and nuke their bearings with 3-4 bombs that can disrupt the whole invasion. Even if you kill some of your own planes in the process it is worth taking out 5-10 enemy bombers w/nukes inside them. If the enemy formation is tight I find it easier to stop bombers with nukes than fleet because they are harder to break away. Nuking fleet is one of my favourite past times in Defcon but I must say I enjoy counter bombing planes even more.

[creator]

Im curious to know how people successfully play as North America, Can you get enough points without allying with south america and if you don't how do you survive the russian/european bombers comming from the north with the south american attack comming from above.

Also where do you put your fleet, the over corwded atlantic or teh vast but far less profitable pacific?

[Radiant Caligula]

where do you put your fleet, the over corwded atlantic or teh vast but far less profitable pacific?

far less profitable???

If not allied with SA you get Mex and instant access to Lima/Santiago and if you're fast and cunning you get Sao too. You can also get Tokyo and the Asian east rim and you can head towards Russia up the Bering. The Pac is loaded with points and opportunities, you just have to know your routes and act on them fast. EU is a hot spot and if it isnt allied with Russia you can forget getting Lenin/Moscow. I allied with EU the other day and amazingly managed to kill Cairo with a bomber run from NA. Had EU been an experienced player that would never had happened, but now I know Cairo is possible from NA.

[Weps]

where do you put your fleet, the over corwded atlantic or teh vast but far less profitable pacific?

far less profitable???

If not allied with SA you get Mex and instant access to Lima/Santiago and if you're fast and cunning you get Sao too. You can also get Tokyo and the Asian east rim and you can head towards Russia up the Bering. The Pac is loaded with points and opportunities, you just have to know your routes and act on them fast. EU is a hot spot and if it isnt allied with Russia you can forget getting Lenin/Moscow. I allied with EU the other day and amazingly managed to kill Cairo with a bomber run from NA. Had EU been an experienced player that would never had happened, but now I know Cairo is possible from NA.

Cairo has actually always been reachable from NA. But not if all players are on the same level. If they are, unallied, NA is the worst place to be (imho).