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Postby Darksun » Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:09 pm

From reading the report, it seems that it only looks at the press releases and other comments by Jan Ziegler, and not the actions taken by the WFP.

The Burundi famine is mostly the result of natural causes, including several years of low rainfall. Making a press statement, while it raises awareness of the issue, can't do much to change it. The food shortages in Palestine is mostly down to human factors, which can be changed through purely political motivation.

The report completly ignores the ACTIONS taken by the WFP, which are arguably much more relevant than their words. It also ignores the relevance of the releases and comments to the specific situation.
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Postby Curiosity » Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:12 pm

Obviously you don't know what the hell the "Special Raporteur" is meant to do. He's not the guy who distributes food. He's the guy who talks about it and keeps tabs on the food thing for the UN. And in doing this, he doesn't pay enough attention to places with much huger food shortages than others. Jeez.
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Postby Deepsmeg » Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:13 pm

My point is that you're going OMG TEH UN SUX BECOZ TIHS WEBSIET SEZ SO.

That website is looking at a relatively small number of things from a narrowminded viewpoint.

And you're saying we're stupid for looking at the wider picture and not just focussing on the bit you're obsessed by?
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Postby Stewsburntmonkey » Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:16 pm

It also uses vague qualifiers like "critical" in reference to the statements. This means that statements about Burundi (of which many have been made) are not included, because for the most part they have nothing to neccessarily condemn since as Darksun points out the issues in most countries are environmental not strictly political.
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Postby Curiosity » Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:17 pm

It's looking at ALL THE STATEMENTS made by the UN Special Raporteur...

It's looking at how much attention he pays to one situation above all others.

SBM: You've ignored the big table that has both critical and non-critical comments and has none of either for Burundi and plenty of both foer the territories. Convenient.
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Postby Stewsburntmonkey » Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:18 pm

Obviously you didn't read the report too closely. . .
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Postby Curiosity » Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:19 pm

Actually, you managed to miss the big table that included the precise thing you said it missed, not me.

So I'm right.
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Postby Rkiver » Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:19 pm

Query: Watches it for anti-jew or anti-israel behaviour. What about anti-Irish? Or anti-English, what about Italy? Or Spain? How about Guatamala?

That's VERY biased if it is only for those two in my opinion......
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Postby Darksun » Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:22 pm

My point is that you are saying that anti-Israeli bias is 'hurting the world' based solely on their statements. You provide no evidence that the focus by Jean Ziegler on speaking against politically caused famine is having a negative effect on the UNs response to famines by other causes
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Postby Curiosity » Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:22 pm

Rkiver: It looks for bias towards specific groups, it cannot monitor towards every group, they can have their own.

That is not bias, that is looking for bias in relation to certain groups.

That is not a 'biased' action.

Why is it an NGO in CONSULTATIVE STATUS with the UN if it's so biased and terrible as you lot seem to think?

To answer your second point:
Drawing attention of the UN and the world to strarving areas is important in the fight against hunger. The Special Raporteur CO-ORDINATES THE UN RESPONSE WITH GOVERNMENTS, NGOs to respond to hungry-areas of the worldetc.

If he's biased and pays more attention to some situations taht don't need it, that will damage efforts.

He's a co-ordinator who doesn't co-ordiante in the right direction!
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Postby Deepsmeg » Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:25 pm

No, it's politically aligned with his views, therefore it is infallible.

Can't you see the difference between bias and compatibility?

When something only gives views/inform\tion supporting a side you oppose, it is biased.
When something only gives views/infomation supporting your side, it is acceptable supporting evidence.
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Postby Stewsburntmonkey » Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:27 pm

Heh, they only count personal statements not the statements released by his office. So yeah if you limit it that far you can make some case (though he has made very few personal statements so it's not a very telling thing). If you look at the offical website there are a whole host of statements and releases detailing the situation in Burundi (and nearly every other nation on earth). These were released under his authority, he just did not pen them himself (he is only one man after all). He also has a history of working in the Jewish community himself so it would make sense most of his personal statements are dealing with what he knows.
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Postby Curiosity » Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:27 pm

Oh for fucks sake Deepsmeg.

That's a pathetic argument.

Ignoring some situations to the detriment of others is almost criminal. Pointing this out is according to you, just as bad.

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SBM: And seeing as my criticism was of HIM, it still seems apt. Why is HE so obsessed with one place? You think cause he has "worked in the Jewish community" that means he should obssess over a tiny problem in palestinian areas? How much sense does that make?
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Postby Deepsmeg » Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:29 pm

Did I say that?

I said that if something is biased with the same views as you, you won't notice/care.
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Postby Stewsburntmonkey » Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:30 pm

He is obviously just trying to save you typing, by making up arguments for you. Really you should thank him. ;)



Curiosity wrote:SBM: And seeing as my criticism was of HIM, it still seems apt. Why is HE so obsessed with one place? You think cause he has "worked in the Jewish community" that means he should obssess over a tiny problem in palestinian areas? How much sense does that make?


Quite a bit? Although if you truly think that then how do you explain your own obssession with Israel and the obssession of UN-Watch over Israel and specifically their obssession with one guy at the UN?
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