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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:07 am
by Rkiver
And it is proven that US education is substandard compared to English, Irish, well European in general Stews.

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 10:23 am
by exosyphen
I knew it was from a great american :)

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 2:46 pm
by Flamekebab
Isn't that an oxymoron?

Hehe, sorry, couldn't resist!

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 2:54 pm
by Montyphy
Flamekebab wrote:Isn't that an oxymoron?

Hehe, sorry, couldn't resist!

I know the feeling but seeing how Stews is already on a hate campaign against me (well, my treatment of newbies) I didn't want to add wood to the fire, even if it were in jest. :P

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 4:31 pm
by exosyphen
I just saw "The Texas Chainsaw Masacre" ... great! :)

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:41 pm
by Montyphy
The original or remake?

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:51 pm
by exosyphen
The remake (I guess) the one that was made last year.
Fine horror movie :)

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:52 pm
by Montyphy
Ah, I've only seen the original. It gave me a headache...

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 6:00 pm
by exosyphen
You need some strong nerves for it :)

Try : The Wrong Turn ... a lot better!

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 6:11 pm
by Stewsburntmonkey
Rkiver wrote:And it is proven that US education is substandard compared to English, Irish, well European in general Stews.

In theory perhaps, but in practice America is still the leading intellectual innovator in the world. How many great innovation have come out of Ireland? How many have come out of Britain (quite a few, but not as many as America, at least recently)?

The problem with nearly all current educational evaluations, is that they test how well certain information has been absorbed by the students. They virtually never attempt to test the intellectual capasity of the students or the students ability to actually apply what they have learned. While the American education system is certainly far from optimal, I fully believe it is rather unique in its ability to produce intellectual innovators. Other nations do very well at producing highly intellectual drones (people who can apply existing knowledge very, very well), but few nations produce the type of thinkers the American education system does. :)

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 6:51 pm
by Flamekebab
Well I am in the middle, I think the UK's education system AND the US' education systems suck.

I ought to have a long think about how to arrange a better system, but I am too sleepy right now..

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 7:03 pm
by Stewsburntmonkey
I would actually tend to agree. I don't know if I would go so far as to say they suck, but I think great improvements could be main on both sides of the Atlantic (and all around the world for that matter). :)

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 7:32 pm
by exosyphen
Don't forget to look at the population size.

There is a higher chance for someone to invent something, from a group of 100, rather then 10 persons. (Population of US vs. UK or whatever else).

Around here (Romania) ALL education is purely based on how much someone can assimilate and reproduce. Thinking is about 0.001%

I had colleagues with major grades (graduating with the maximum grades) laughing over me (I never bothered studying in college)...
I accidentaly met one of them on the street one day.
I was running my small software company, and he was working for a small obscure company, for a misserable wage (less then 1/3 of mine).

Life eventually proved him wrong. Beeing a walking library didn't help him much....

Another great quote :
"Try not to follow one's footsteps, but make a path yourself for others to follow."

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 7:34 pm
by xMs
People always want more. (Not directly aimed at members).

Everything can be improved upon, be it huge improvements or
little things. No-one is going to be 100% happy.

Take for example the NHS (UK), in my personal opinion they do a dam good
job. Please do not take into account break outs of MRSA etc...
I mean in general.

I waited for 4 hours in the X-ray waiting room. 4 hours.
I was not annoyed at it, simply because there are other people
that need to be seen. I was at Kings college hospital.
One of the biggest, best hospitals in Central London.

They had waiting lines, and delays. It will always happen.
For those that haven't been there, its huge, massive.
It houses wards, shops, general clinics and an ER.
If a hospital of this size has waiting times, surly people can
relise that it is not the hospitals fault as such.

I am saying all this because of the 'sucks' comment.

Say the hospital had 5000 patients in the ER.
Patient number 2 would obviously get served before
patient 3488 (unless there was a life threatening emergency
Obviously). But the thing is patient 3488 will complain, (usually)
about the time he will have to wait, there is nothing the hospital can
do to stop the waiting times. Usually Kings has maximum staff on.

The only way to improve waiting times is either for doctors to cut
down individual patient times, which would lead to miss-diagnosis.
Or they make the hospital bigger, which will make our tax go up.
And the people won't be happy then either, even if it does make the
waiting times decrease.

Some people will be happy about the decrease in waiting times,
some people will be mad at the increase in tax. As i said, you cannot
please everybody.

Well thats my two cents on the health system.
Sorry I seemed to never shut up! :P

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 7:44 pm
by Flamekebab
I don't think that's really directly applicable to the school system though, as in my opinion, it's not exactly that there's shortages, although I'm sure there are, but the methodology needs improvement.

What if the doctors were using old and obsolete techniques and through improvement in their techniques, were able to solve more problems?

People would still complain, but some progress would have been made.

I think we really need a cultural rethink as the under 18s of this country, the UK, could do with better motivation towards positive things whilst campaigns against other things, such as alcohol, drugs, but not just those things, environmental responsibility for example.

It's a huge job, but it's gotta be done although I'm starting to worry that no one is going to do it, heh.