doormat wrote:The UN placed the Isreal-palestine border. It is a matter of considerable import to their joint and several dignities. They talk about it a lot because they feel it is their problem to solve.
So they are more worried about a border than mass killings, raping, and starvation in africa? So much for practicality.
It is clearly within their mandate: The occupation of one nation by another (and don't go on about palastine not having been a nation: It is if Isreal is, because it's borders were defined in the same treaty.) Most other conflicts are either internal (in which case the UN has no mandate) or sucessional (in which case the mandate is not clear).
So the massive killing of innocents is right as long as it happens within the borders of a country which is recognized by the UN as a country? lol. Again there goes usefulness out the window.
How about: the Isreali's have West Jerusalem, and the Arabs have East Jeurusalem, thus retaining control of their respective religions more important sites and finding common cause by living together in peace: You know, like the UN intended.
Define west and east. You mean a split in the center?
And of cource the UN only wants nice things. Dont we all? But for some reason they just keep comming up with the most unrealistic ideas of achiving those nice things all the time.
The Isreali administration restricts access to the city, and refuses permition to perform Christian or Muslim religous rites in mutual holy sites, on the grounds of "security".
Err? restrict christians? What the hell are you talking about?
Muslims are restricted because of well known security reasons, that have a very stable basis. Unless you are gonna deny terror acts (which is what I think you're gonna do next).
The Catholic, Russian & Greek Orthadox and Anglican Communities in the area all support Palistinian control of the Old City.
That's rather illogical. Have you ever been to jerusalem? Erh, what am I talking about, you probably cant even point the middle east out on the globe.
Proof for what you wrote above please.
How about: Within it's borders? Shocking concept, I know... There is no longer any need for "buffer zones" (If indeed there ever was).
The new borders have been set by reality a long time ago. Returning to the 'old' borders (which where violated because palestinian attacks ffs) means that even I will have to move out of move home and be relocated.
Just think about all the logistical problems inolved in this transfer. It is bound to drain israel's money completely, and the palestinians... Well they never actually lived on their own earned money anyways...
The palestinians wont be able to provide running water and electricity and other basic stuff to all of their 'new' homes if israel will move back to the 1948 borders. They cant live on their own, they need israel to survive. If you want israel to move back to 1948 borders, you are calling for a complete disconnection, one which the palestinians wont be able to stand.
Unless of cource you wanna say that israel should still provide the palestinian authority with most of its basic needs even though israel will withdraw to the old borders. In that case I will just laugh and rest my case, since the large majority people can see what's wrong with that plan.
But I'm sure you'll just disregard logic and reason and most importantly what I said above and continue with supporting the moving back to 1948 borders.
Yeah. About the same time I decide that the best option for a stable europe would have been to let Germany win in 1945. Sure, all the jews would have been murdered, and there would have been cirtain... democratic compromises... But it would have been nice and stable, and the trains would have run on time.
That comparison was childish. Unless you are convinced that thousands of palestinians are being burned in giant incinerators every day, since the ultimate goal of the israeli goverment is to eliminate all the muslims from the face of the planet.
I actually belive you do think that.
Oh btw, did you notice how you avoided from replying to my question? You're slowly getting better and better at running in circles around the point. You could make a fine UN representative