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Postby The cat » Sun May 23, 2004 2:31 pm

A community cannot exist without working, to some extent, as part of a whole.


Of course it can't.
I think the communism preaches to economical equality, not professional equality.

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Postby Stewsburntmonkey » Sun May 23, 2004 4:54 pm

Darksun wrote:But wouldn't you say that, for example, binmen (ahem... refuge workers) provide just as important a service as doctors. A community cannot exist without working, to some extent, as part of a whole.


In general a doctor can perform the duties of a bin man without much retraining, however a bin man cannot generally perform the duties of a doctor without years of retraining. A doctor has thousands and thousands of dollars (or pounds) of education where as a bin man generally only has minimal education. Thus the doctor is worth more to society than a bin man. While both provide vital services one is a skilled job the other is one almost anyone can do. This is not to say one is better than the other, just one requires more education. However this is not really an issue of equity. Most bin men could be retrained to be doctors. However people are born with natural adeptness for particular skills. Not everyone can be retrained to be an artists of Picasso or Rembrandt's skill, nor can everyone be retrained to be politician of August or Alexander the Great's skill. Everyone has gifts that the general public does not. :)
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Postby Mas Tnega » Sun May 23, 2004 5:13 pm

Considering the NHS seems to have hygiene problems, that's obviously not true. The hopistals are in dire need of some people armed with a mop and bucket to stop the new infctions, not another doctor trying to treat them. And if the differnece between a doctor and a cleaner is thousands of pounds of education, society is saving money from having the cleaners instead.
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Postby Stewsburntmonkey » Sun May 23, 2004 5:17 pm

The fact that the NHS is run by people who can't staff their facilities properly does not make my point incorrect. Any doctor could clean the floors, he just won't because it doesn't pay very well. :)
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Postby Mas Tnega » Sun May 23, 2004 5:23 pm

Because no one wants to do it, binmen and cleaners can be seen to quite valuable, as they are the only ones who'd even want to do their job.
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Postby Stewsburntmonkey » Sun May 23, 2004 5:30 pm

Like I said their job is equally valuble, however as anyone can do it they themself are not as valuble to society. The pay issue is a reflaction of how much society values the job. If people will not work for that wage the wage will increase. Society's pay rates are balanced to make sure the right number of people can be found in each task, thus there should always be just enough people willing to work at a certain job for the given pay. That has nothing to do with the actual value of that worker to society, that is what the wage is. :)
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Postby Mas Tnega » Sun May 23, 2004 5:37 pm

I take it you don't count Hollywood actors, "musicians", etc as a part of society. The number of them, and the money they make, is ever increasing, and the number who want to be them is truely enormous.
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Postby Stewsburntmonkey » Sun May 23, 2004 5:40 pm

I do count them. They are a very neccessary part of society and society pays them what it collectlively feels they are worth. In the past we killed people for entertainment now we just pay them millions, which I think is preferable. This is captialism for good or bad. :)
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Postby The cat » Sun May 23, 2004 5:44 pm

In the past we killed people for entertainment now we just pay them millions, which I think is preferable. This is captialism for good or bad. :)


The abstract of our lives in one sentence, wow. :wink:
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Postby Deepsmeg » Sun May 23, 2004 10:23 pm

Count the full stops.
1, 2.
yep. 2.
Therefore, it's 2 sentences, not 1...
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Postby Me300 » Mon May 24, 2004 7:33 am

On the subject of dirty hospitals, St. Francis Hospital in Tulsa could stand to hire several new janitors. That place is filthy.
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Postby HairDryer » Mon May 24, 2004 9:32 am

you're always nitpicking deepsmeg... if he wants to "believe" that it's 1 sentence then he can.
lol
i think forum spam is in good fun "usually" but what's up with email spam ...
they should all be shot for entertainment :roll:
im sure people would prefer that to paying THEM millions :P
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Postby The cat » Mon May 24, 2004 1:03 pm

Count the full stops.
1, 2.
yep. 2.
Therefore, it's 2 sentences, not 1...


I already told you I had a tough math test yesterday, so I may be confused when it comes it numbers and counting... :D

if he wants to "believe" that it's 1 sentence then he can.

Precisely, and those who read 1984 will understand this... :)

you're always nitpicking deepsmeg...

Nah, it fun.... lol...
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Postby menancer » Mon May 24, 2004 1:27 pm

Mr Xtereme wrote:you are all spammy bastads, especially you menancer


please shut up, don't make me spit on you :x


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