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Postby Ozymandias IV » Tue May 18, 2004 1:30 am

Teen pregnancy (I believe) is proportional to social class. If you improve education and make parents and teachers more concerned, then the chances of teen pregnancy go down. Children from affluent families have this, which is why there is less (but not none) teen pregnancy among the middle-upper/upper class.
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Postby Rkiver » Tue May 18, 2004 1:41 am

I have to admit I have seen that trend in Dublin, and I would also agree in principle at the cause of it, as you pointed out. In a worse case senario I have seen it where Generation 1 has child at young age, never gets job, sponges off goverment, repeat generation 2, and 3, and 4......scary prospect. 4 generations that never work, just have children at young age and use your tax money. At least that is just an example I have seen in Dublin....but I'm sure it is repeated in a few other countries.
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Postby Stewsburntmonkey » Tue May 18, 2004 1:50 am

I understand that some language must be less than exact to allow for judicial judgements based on specific situations, however the quote I gave was actually struck down by the courts because its inprecision allowed too much room for abuse. My point is reliance on technical jargon while generally efficient and desireable can be a crutch and a method of intellectual segregation.
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Postby Rkiver » Tue May 18, 2004 1:55 am

For the layman in the forums, translation of Stews' post reads as such:

"They use big words and no one knows what they are saying, so they are smart and can make up laws we don't get."

:wink: Kidding of course.
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Postby Darkshine » Tue May 18, 2004 11:58 am

Ozymandias IV wrote:Teen pregnancy (I believe) is proportional to social class. If you improve education and make parents and teachers more concerned, then the chances of teen pregnancy go down. Children from affluent families have this, which is why there is less (but not none) teen pregnancy among the middle-upper/upper class.


Much as I'd like to say this is right wing bullshit, it does appear to be true, but possibly not for the factors you state.

Surely it's the state's responsibility to ensure everyone gets a good education? I never went to a private school in my life but I feel I'm a pretty welll rounded individual. So does this mean the government is devoting less education resources to more impoverished parts of the nation?
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Postby Stewsburntmonkey » Tue May 18, 2004 12:29 pm

The wealthy generally have more access to birth control, contraseption and abortion. This obviously helps keep teen birthrates down.
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Postby HairDryer » Tue May 18, 2004 2:22 pm

You should also note that "wealthy families" (for want of a better word) talk to each other more, are generally more strict about going out, and usually try to invlove themselves with boyfriends etc more than the "poorer families" (again im sorry)
These "poorer families" let there children go out and dont ask questions about where they're going or who they're with normally. This leads to the point of parents talking with children and social interaction between them.

Coming from a family that lived in a large house in central london and owned a country house in shropshire, my parents invited boyfriends round etc and got to know them, trust was built and i was constantly kept aware of the fact that if i had a problem then i could talk to my parents about it and get help.

I think the problem isn't in education it's in parents taking an active part of their childs life. (at least until they're 18 and can be booted out :lol: :P :roll:
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Postby Deepsmeg » Tue May 18, 2004 3:34 pm

The nobs and aristcracy and other stuck-up gits don't have a social life, therefore they don't get to play hide the sausage.

'Nuff said.
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Postby HairDryer » Tue May 18, 2004 3:49 pm

I resent that. :evil:

Not only do you sound jealous but you're also conforming people to a false stereotype created by others.

And it's spelt Aristocracy not aristcracy
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Postby Stewsburntmonkey » Tue May 18, 2004 4:30 pm

HairDryer wrote:You should also note that "wealthy families" (for want of a better word) talk to each other more, are generally more strict about going out, and usually try to invlove themselves with boyfriends etc more than the "poorer families" (again im sorry)
These "poorer families" let there children go out and dont ask questions about where they're going or who they're with normally. This leads to the point of parents talking with children and social interaction between them.

Coming from a family that lived in a large house in central london and owned a country house in shropshire, my parents invited boyfriends round etc and got to know them, trust was built and i was constantly kept aware of the fact that if i had a problem then i could talk to my parents about it and get help.

I think the problem isn't in education it's in parents taking an active part of their childs life. (at least until they're 18 and can be booted out :lol: :P :roll:


This is a rather inaccurate stereotype. . .

Many poorer comunities are much tighter knit than rich communities. Many rich live in large houses on large pieces of land. This means they may rarely talk to their neighboors and many give their kids rather free reign.
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Postby einstein » Tue May 18, 2004 5:04 pm

HairDryer wrote:And it's spelt Aristocracy not aristcracy


It is spelt with a capital letter?? - you mean like God, or The Book...(sorry religious examples were all i could think of)?? That just amused me that you felt it was important enough to captalise the word while talking of a false stereotype... the irony... i'm a fan of irony btw!

Also, the whole "class" argument can be used to justify just about any social problem. But surely isn't the fact there are "classes" the social problem? (God, wait, back it up, i sound like a socialist here... and dear lord that couldn't be further from the truth)... Those from affluent backgrounds are less likely to .... (insert lots of things here - including commit violent/personal crimes, get pregnant young, get married very young, etc) and are more likely to (insert lots of things here - including continue to be affluent, get a full education, get a good job, etc). Societies problems are very much self-perpetuating... breaking the cycle is the silver bullet!

(I would post lots more on this subject and on this post cause i have lots to say... but my dinner is out and then i'm going to work - i'll rejoin the debate to save the world tomorrow! einstein :D)
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Postby Deepsmeg » Tue May 18, 2004 5:12 pm

Irony!
Like bronzy and goldy, but made of iron!
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Postby Darkshine » Tue May 18, 2004 11:32 pm

This page is FULL of inaccurate stereotypes.
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Postby Deepsmeg » Tue May 18, 2004 11:47 pm

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Postby HairDryer » Fri May 21, 2004 4:04 pm

einstein wrote:It is spelt with a capital letter?? - you mean like God, or The Book...(sorry religious examples were all i could think of)?? That just amused me that you felt it was important enough to captalise the word while talking of a false stereotype... the irony... i'm a fan of irony btw!

Lmao look again einstein
aristOcracy - my spelling
aristcracy - his spelling

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