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Postby Miah » Wed Dec 10, 2003 8:44 pm

Coldfire - Google will not translate K'ar'iy, the only translater lies at my board, and is used by piss few people. She wasn't speaking Japanese, she was proclaiming distaste
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Postby Ami Kato » Wed Dec 10, 2003 8:49 pm

Quote: from Ami Kato on 1:25 pm on Dec. 10, 2003[br]Ba'ka...

You are a stubborn one


Actually, in our terms, I didn't say "fuck you," I just said "Fuck it" as in, I'm done with this thread, And "<br><br> " later, I explained why.

(Edited by Ami Kato at 11:49 am on Dec. 10, 2003)
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Postby Coldfire26 » Wed Dec 10, 2003 8:50 pm

heh, well excuse me for not knowing what that kariy stuff (or japanese, or whatever)
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Postby Miah » Wed Dec 10, 2003 8:51 pm

I believe Ami just said what she meant :biggrin:
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Postby Coldfire26 » Wed Dec 10, 2003 8:53 pm

And i replied by saying that i didn't know what she was talking about before. as in ' if i knew what you were talking about i would of replied diffrently.'

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Postby Miah » Wed Dec 10, 2003 8:57 pm

And don't try to figure K'ar'iy out, it was designed to be code... :biggrin:

Back to the subject, devoidence of existence is.. nothing. It doesn't exist. Wow. Go figure.

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(Edited by Miah Helpmann at 1:58 pm on Dec. 10, 2003)
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Postby Stewsburntmonkey » Wed Dec 10, 2003 8:58 pm

'devoidence of existence' is exactly what you are trying to prove, so inserting that is creating a circular arguement that proves nothing.  We were discussing the seperate nature of space-time with that of matter and energy.  If you like experiments so much, why don't you bring up one to prove your side, instead of always demanding others to contradict you.  The fact is there are places where neither energy or matter exist yet are still valid points on the space-time fabric.   I brought up the definition because you seem to like to think words mean what they do not, which confounds the whole arguement unnecessarily.  In summary:

  • Make a point
  • Back that point up with fact or clear logic
  • Refrain from symantic or nit picking arguements which would confuse the issue at hand
  • Use the proper words (or descriptive phrases) for what you mean
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Postby Coldfire26 » Wed Dec 10, 2003 9:04 pm

*sigh* my head hurts. i'll continue this tommorow.

anyway, i am just trying to prove nothing like you said - proving what is nothing and what is not.
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Postby Miah » Wed Dec 10, 2003 9:09 pm

Maybe it was all that drilling :)
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Postby Coldfire26 » Thu Dec 11, 2003 6:48 am

hmm, didn't think this thread would sink to the botton overnight. OK, let's see...

In my oppinion that which is devoid of existence cannot be considered as existing, Thus the 'space' outside this world is meanwhile non-existent and cannot be considered. this means space is only finite to this universe.

that is because there is nothing outside this univers - it doesn't exist, and what is better to symbolize non-existence than nothing? as we cannot limit the amount of nothing in the universe, because 1 square of this nothing can be infinite nothing, because it doesn't matter how many nothiongs there are, as they are non-existent, and so is their space.

something  can always occupy it, since there is any amount of nothing all the time, but there is also 0 nothing all the time, and 0 = 0, so while matter can go through it, we still may have the same amount of nothing we had last time, which is 0.
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Postby Miah » Thu Dec 11, 2003 8:47 am

You said it. something CAN occupy it. That doesn't mean something HAS to, though

So it something CAN be there, but just isn't, is a vacuum, right?

RIGHT????

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Postby Katana Steel » Thu Dec 11, 2003 9:09 am

If something can occupy it, it must be existing.

or not???

if not I'll have to redefine my logic.


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Postby Coldfire26 » Thu Dec 11, 2003 9:16 am

KS: No, actually s something can occupy it it has to not-exist, or else something will be there, won't it?
existence is a 'filled' slot, while non-existence isn't a slot but a field, each existence fits a slot to itself to exist in, the slot floats on the field, now if omsething is on the field, oh can something else be there too?

MH: yup, just 1 thing, when something DOESN'T occupy it it doesn't exist.
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Postby Miah » Thu Dec 11, 2003 9:20 am

space is a NOUN

look it up.

It exists
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Postby Stewsburntmonkey » Thu Dec 11, 2003 10:11 am

It seems you simply cannot get your head around the idea of abstract nouns, and limit yourself to only simple concrete thinking, which is sad, and a bit of a problem for someone who professes to be interested in physics.  O well, there is no point arguing this much further as you just simply refuse the idea of space and have no logical or factual basis for this rejection to argue against.

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