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Postby Coldfire26 » Tue Dec 09, 2003 7:31 pm

Let's see how many ppl (Probably no more than 3) reply to this discussion...

1) If there are infinite possible dimensions, we can say there is no nothing, just something in a diffrent dimension. i'de like to here your opinions on that...

2) If we say there are particles with size, but no mass, how can they exist unless Negative mass particles inside their complex weigh them out, with positive massed particles.

3) (yes again) 1/Iinf != 0 (OR as some of you insist, 1/oo /= 0). cuz:
if 1/Inf = 0 then 1/Inf * Inf = 0 * Inf, that means Inf/Inf =  0, and that i saying 'there are no Infinities in an infinity' which is illogical.

4) What do you think Is the limit the fabric of space can Warp and tear?



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Postby Miah » Tue Dec 09, 2003 7:44 pm

first off, you're missed numba 2 and numba 5

1) Few people believe in infinite dimensions. Most believe in 11, or less, depending on the knowledge of the topic

3) Or Quintessence

4) don't start

6) in what ways are you asking? how many dimensions?
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Postby Coldfire26 » Tue Dec 09, 2003 7:48 pm

oh, i edited that...

1) I don't mean infinite dimensions, but infinite possible dimensions.

3) Perhaps...

4) Hmm...

6) no i meant, if it can warp and stuff, can it warp around itself, perhaps tie itself around itself, create space knots, distort in heavy ways and perhaps can cause its collition aginst itself, like a piece of silk.
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Postby Miah » Tue Dec 09, 2003 7:53 pm

1) you're still confusing me

3) Do you even know what Quintessences are?

4) sorry, it's been pounded to the point of a dull throab in my head

6) I suppose so... Think about it. Flat sheet of paper. 2D surface. warp it. if it wasn't solid, it could intersect itself in the 3D space. Don't you think 3D could do the same in a 4D space?
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Postby Stewsburntmonkey » Tue Dec 09, 2003 7:55 pm

1) Yes, we can say a great many things.  I would say pickles but that's just me.  But what if there was nothing in the other dimensions?  You can't know there is something in the other dimensions.

2) There is no two (hey that would be a cool movie line)

3) We can say that, but it doesn't make it so.  Anti-matter and matter could account for such a phenomenon though.

4) Infinity is a concept not a number, thus mathmatical opperator cannot be applied to it.  When one speaks of 1/Infinty one is generally talking about the limit of 1/x as x goes to infinity which is indeed 0.  

5) There is no five (someone needs to learn to count)

6) I tend to the idea that space is in some way infinite, though there are some very interesting ideas about spherical space which are pretty interesting.  Space can warp, that is how we explain gravity currently, and I would say wormholes are possible, but then again what I think really doesn't matter.  :)
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Postby Miah » Tue Dec 09, 2003 7:59 pm

1) <meaningless wafflings> is space nothing? you can move in it, after all...

3) Quintessence is sort of like Anti-matter that way. Instead of attractive forces, they have repulsive forces

4) thank you. I proclaim sub-topic 4 dead

6) see previous comment in last post

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Postby Coldfire26 » Tue Dec 09, 2003 8:05 pm

1) If there are posible infinite dimensions, than it is just a Q chance that there is something in 1 of them.

2) Yes there is, some1 should learn to read ;) (just changed it...) so i assume you mean 2 by saying 3...
Anti-matter are very alike - they all have the same structure, but still they have non-negative mass.

3) i assume you mean 3 by 4.
then you agree.

4) by 6 i assume you mean 5. space exists only where there is 'stuff' where there isn't 'stuff' it doesn't exist. in my opinion space can eat up itself, if distorted enough, and wormholes are just small things compared to very heavy distorations that have the power to pierce space with itself.

5) Hmm, you are right there is no 5.

6) Someone should REALLY get glasses.

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Postby Miah » Tue Dec 09, 2003 8:08 pm

Quote: from Coldfire26 on 1:05 pm on Dec. 9, 2003[br]
4) by 6 i assume you mean 5. space exists only where there is 'stuff' where there isn't 'stuff' it doesn't exist. in my opinion space can eat up itself, if distorted enough, and wormholes are just small things compared to very heavy distorations that have the power to pierce space with itself.


No, I mean 4... :P
space exists not because there's stuff there, but because it's between... stuffs... :/
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Postby Coldfire26 » Tue Dec 09, 2003 8:10 pm

So nothingness DOES exist? thats like saying 1=0
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Postby Ami Kato » Tue Dec 09, 2003 8:12 pm

what you're saying is like stateing that there is no distance between (0,0) and (5,5)

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Postby Stewsburntmonkey » Tue Dec 09, 2003 8:12 pm

Here is an article explaining some zero mass phenomena, http://www.mlawrence.co.uk/ .  

Space is neither nothing or something, it is a container (for lack of a better analogy) it can be empty or filled, there is no rule yet devised that says every bit of space must have something.  There is space all around with nothing in it (between atoms, etc).  :)

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Postby Miah » Tue Dec 09, 2003 8:13 pm

Actually, Stew, I think he was looking for mass, but no volume...

Good article, though
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Postby Stewsburntmonkey » Tue Dec 09, 2003 8:16 pm

Well if he was, then he certainly did not state it that way.  :)
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Postby Miah » Tue Dec 09, 2003 8:18 pm

I thought he said it quite clearly... :)

"2) If we say there are particles with size, but no mass..."
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Postby Stewsburntmonkey » Tue Dec 09, 2003 8:20 pm

Quote: from Miah Helpmann on 8:18 pm on Dec. 9, 2003[br]I thought he said it quite clearly... :)

"2) If we say there are particles with size, but no mass..."


Quote: from Miah Helpmann on 8:13 pm on Dec. 9, 2003[br]Actually, Stew, I think he was looking for mass, but no volume...

Good article, though


He says they exists (have volume) but no mass, quite clear certainly.  So that's zero mass, but a volume.  Like I said.  :)

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