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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 3:41 am
by Iris
to those of you who love using Visual Basic, or loves to program in BASIC but wants the best of both worlds (easy to use language with a visual GUI designer, can produce small and fast GUI/console executables very comparable to C++ so you won't have to hear the word 'bloatware' from the C fanatics), i recommend you check out this site.

    http://basic.mindteq.com/  

they've got the best reviews on any and all known freeware and shareware BASIC compilers that can give Visual Basic a run for its value as a professional programming language. why do i promote this site, you might ask? because my brother just made a valuable contribution to the site by being able to find the seemingly lost Basic compiler XPB! Basic, which is only (gasp!) 1 meg in size, makes GUI executables as small as 4k in size, and executes as fast as a C-compiled program. he sent a copy to the author, and i'm so proud of my bro i had to hang his head on a wall as a trophy....hmmm, that doesn't sound right.

anyway, for those of you Basic lovers (and haters and skeptics alike) , i recommend you try them. i have copies to 90% of the compilers listed there for my personal collection. :)

Iris

Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 3:56 am
by UAStaff
I didn't realized that everyone was all anti-VB :\

Next semester I'll be doing C and C++, so it'll all be awesome

Thanks for the website BTW, it's very helpful

Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 11:32 am
by vooshy
Thanks Iris v. useful

Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 12:23 pm
by Neo101
COOL

Neo101

Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 12:48 pm
by Jackmn
I can guarantee you it won't run as quickly as well optimized c+.

Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 12:50 pm
by Miah
As can I...

Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 1:16 pm
by Iris
well i said it was comparable, i didn't say it was a replacement. and besides, your bragging rights is only as good as the actual code you produce, am i right?

Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 1:20 pm
by Miah
Sorry, that wasn't exactly meant as a slam to you...

If I want ease of coding, I use VB

If I want run speed, C++

Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 1:24 pm
by poortwistedme
What about Q-basic?

Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 1:27 pm
by Iris
no offense taken. my point is that with these new Basic compilers coming out, with features and capabilities that are ALMOST COMPARABLE TO C (i reiterate for sake of clarity to the pessimists), Basic lovers would have lots of good alternative choices to VB, whether they're writing a major game project or just a simple prank to wipe out their friend's entire hard drive in one swoop, just for the fun of it.

Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 9:26 pm
by TheDuke
Quote: from poortwistedme on 12:24 pm on Dec. 9, 2003[br]What about Q-basic?


Qbasic can only produce programs that run in real mode DOS with a maximum size of 64Kb. Also, the QBasic included with DOS is just an interpreter, so you cannot compile your BASIC code into executable binary code. This means that the BASIC interpreter must be present in order for the program to run, and it will run slower than an equivelent binary program.
Visual Basic 1.0 for DOS could compile QBasic programs into stand alone executables, but you are still limited to real mode DOS, and the actual compiled program is rather inefficient.

These new basic compilers Iris speaks of sound much better.

Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 11:27 pm
by poortwistedme
W00t?? Are you offending the first language i learned??
Die, silly man!

(Edited by poortwistedme at 12:31 am on Dec. 10, 2003)

Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 11:30 pm
by Stewsburntmonkey
"Woot??" Heh, silly man, been hanging around Tormentor too much.  :)

Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 12:03 am
by TheDuke
Quote: from poortwistedme on 10:27 pm on Dec. 9, 2003[br]W00t?? Are you offending the first language i learned??
Die, silly man!

(Edited by poortwistedme at 12:31 am on Dec. 10, 2003)


I am not "offending" the language, I am "offending" the interpreter of the language.
Qbasic is a big step forward from GW-BASIC, and is the base for visual basic.
The Qbasic language itself is OK, but the Qbasic interpreter that comes with DOS is inadequate for serious programs.

Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 2:34 am
by Linker
GWBASIC... I took a class in that once... The only thing I remember is that ? is equal to print. That really IS logical, isn't it? [sarcasm]

Linker