Possible answer for DEV CD users

[Sonnybobiche]

NOBODY HAS TO KNOW.

[Octavious]

You were trying to say "not defined as" not use a caomparative. You also cannot effectively mix math and computer science; while people mistakingly couple them, the two are vastly different. You wanted "?", not "!=".
By "Adriac == 1337", you are nither saying "Adriac = 1337", nor "Adriac ?1337"; you are saying "true" or "false", but it is for the reader (computer in the case of computer science) to determine. The purpose of logic is to eliminate assumptions; "logically assumed" therefore has no meaning.
You are right; this is irrelevent.

Photocopying a page is illegal in the strictest sense of the law (copying a piece of material without owning the copywrite or having the permission from someone who does is illegal), just as downloading abandonware is; but, because, as you stated, you would not be depriving anyone profits, no one cares. Your teacher generally has the permission to photocopy from teaching textbooks, but if he does not then he is breaking the law; as I siad however, no one cares.

Hail the irrelevent. GIT

[Adriac]

Naw, man, it's legal. There are Fair Use clauses in copyright law, the factors I mentioned have an actual legal bearing on the issue. You don't get off the hook 'cause of apathy, as is the case with abandonware (and warez in general, I suppose).

Think about it. There are photocopiers in public libraries. They may not care proactively, but would the government use tax dollars to facilitate an illegal action? (Answer to rhetorical question: Only a really, really big one. But let's not get started on that )

Sonny:
When I say, "We're talking about legality", I mean that this is a purely academic discussion of copyright law. I'm making no bones about morality or ethics- I don't care if it's legal or not, just pointing out that it isn't.

As far as computer science, well, I feel more comfortable writing out "is equal to" than "equals", so I use ==. Sue me

And, of course, it goes without saying that it is suitably more geeky...


Dude, I just noticed that the form text boxes support spell checking. This is so cool

[Octavious]

Really? How?

[Adriac]

I'll assume you're asking about the spellchecking...

Safari (my web browser) is a Cocoa (Mac OS X native/specific) application, and system-wide spellchecking can be enabled with the click of a checkbox (or a YES, as the case may be). Apparently Safari does so for form text boxes, but it's not on by default...

So if I highlight a word and right click on it, right at the top it'll give suggestions is the word is misspelled. Not only that, the menu also has "Check Spelling As You Type" (y'know, with the little red lines). But here's the cool part- I did that last session, and it's still working now I think I have permanent spellchecking on forum posts (yay). No, wait, looks like in all textareas! I can't conceive of a time I wouldn't want that...

Man, this is soo leet Now you will know that any (well, most) spelling errors of mine are totally deliberate. Coool.

On the off chance that you weren't talking about that, what were you talking about?

[Lexxicon]

Please can we get back to the topic at hand or should i veer it off a little  originally we looked over the legalities now i ask is there ne way to make it legal officially yes pirating it isnt the hardest of things to do you might even be able to get it off kazaa (dont get it tho, legally not allowed and probably a virus) i want to know if we can make gates sign a contract for free use of his software ( VS6 ) just to be on the safe side

[Stewsburntmonkey]

I would seriously dobt it.  Companies generally make their programs free only if they go under, Microsoft shows no signs that is going to happen anytime soon.  This is not just to make money on the software, but to keep tech support reasonable.  If a company gives away a major product like this then you will have a lot of people calling tech support trying to get help for a product they never paid anything for.  This would obviously be a major problem.  Also with alot of this kind of software most people will not benefit much from the newest version (VC++.net is not all that much better then VC++ 6 for most people) so if you can get one for free there is little reason to go buy the new one (and support the continued development of the product).  

Also MS does sell the indevidual products that make up Visual Studio individually, Visual C++.NET is only $100.  :)

(Edited by Stewsburntmonkey at 2:44 pm on Aug. 4, 2003)

[Adriac]

Customer: "Hmm... I may not need all the latest features, and VS7 is expensive, but I think it's worth it, it looks pretty good... Hey, what's this? VS6 is freeware! Screw that!"

Here- take a look at that freeware site. That guy is pointing out that you don't need the latest software to do what you need to- stuff you can pick up for five bucks at a garage sale.

He has a very good point.

If VS6 wasn't very useful anymore (completely obsolete), they might. But it is. The very fact that you can use it is the reason it is free. Microsoft is NOT going to supplement the use of good alternatives to their products that don't profit them. That's just dumb.

I can't even put down the word "doubt". There is no way in hell Microsoft (of all companies) would make such a gross marketing blunder. Not gonna happen.

(Edited by Adriac at 3:47 pm on Aug. 4, 2003)

[Lexxicon]

I am suggesting them to release it in a worse version aka not so easy 2 use not necessarily less effective tho . That would balance it out.

[Stewsburntmonkey]

No, either they look bad for having a bad product or they loose money by releasing a free product which draws customers from their newer products.  If you want a free compiler there are lots out there.  :)

[Lexxicon]

I have downloaded 3 different popular compilers that dont work. it is pissing me off. I bought and read and learned 3 different C++ books and none of them give instructions on how to compile with a different compilers other than visual studio or the c++ edition. And they wouldnt look bad if they said: Eh! want this old thing you might like it, but dont ask me how to use it... It's like giving awaymice when you breed purebreads. And atleast they can use this older version to help them selves somhow because there are no kids in my province (atleast that i know of) who can pay $1,515.00 CAD to get vs6 or 153.047 CAD for just c++ to start programming somthing. THey can use it to see what the market is actually interested in. And or give free limited licences like for 6 months if the anual revenue is less than 20 thousand dollars for you and or your workplace.

: )  

[Adriac]

I don't know if you've noticed, but Microsoft doesn't really care if you're happy as long as they make money. There's no way this could make more than a speck on their ledgers, so it's really not worth the trouble.

I also don't know if you've noticed, but Apple provides a full design suite with their OS

[Lexxicon]

Good point i have to admit that. And i dont use apple so i had no way of knowing. I will siplify my oinion, This is a kickass way of showing us that they arent a$$ 0's  but without a loss of income to them.

frogt me smiley

: )

(Edited by Lexxicon at 10:01 pm on Aug. 4, 2003)

[Stewsburntmonkey]

So because you can't be arsed to figure out how to use any of the free compilers out there you think MS should give you a free compiler (although you don't care if this compiler is crap and doesn't work, just as long as it says Microsoft)?  Its a rather funny arguement.  :)

[tabasco boy]

lexxicon why not try visual studio .net or visual C++ .net you could get a trial version @ http://shop.microsoft.com/devtools/ or borlands compiler C++ builder and you could decide from there which suits your needs.