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Postby Kaos » Tue Mar 26, 2002 10:49 pm

I finally got a good job! I'm working as a Security System Engineer!  I get a shiny name tag and everything! I starts on Monday!

People that don't know what a Security System Engineer Does well Ill tell you. Most of these tasks Ill end up doing and some ill end up doing down the road.

I Install and monitor firewalls.
I Administer PKI Infrastructure (Public Key Infrastructure)
I Administer Internet Security Tools
I Write Scripts To Automate Different Tasks
I Review Security Logs
I Identifying Security Vulnerability and last
I harden UNIX operations.

Hell of a job for someone that doesn't even have a degree in anything. I just hope I don't screw the pooch.

The big bossman Greg seemed like a good guy. I'm going to be training under a veteran Security Sys Engineer for a while until I get everything worked out.

Only reason I got the Job though is because my uncle Ron knows Greg, they were old school buddies. Ill write the requirements what it says on the flyer my uncle sent me for the job

"Experience: 5 years experience in supporting UNIX
operating systems, Certified in SUN Solaris
administration, Fluent in Perl & UNIX Shell scripting,
Unix Security, Internet Security,Portal, and Extranet Security. Demonstrate skills in administering firewalls, PKI, Proxy Servers, LDAP and directory servers. The candidate must have experience and knowledge of network topology, and protocols"

The reason I'm only getting 17 an hour is because I don't have any rock solid qualifications... I don't have any degrees in anything and I have no certifications, except for A+. My uncle says they are dishing out 60-80-100 grand for top notch for security techies.

I'm not trying to brag or say "HA! I'm better than you" because surly in no way am I better than anyone I just felt like telling someone.

Maybe now I can finally get a PlayStation 2 lol :)
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Postby Adam Black » Tue Mar 26, 2002 10:51 pm

So basically you are the enemy of Uplink Agents.

I'm disgusted.
Let's kick this bitch into overdrive.
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Postby Kaos » Tue Mar 26, 2002 10:53 pm

LOL! I knew someone was going to say that!
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Postby Chad Mulligan » Tue Mar 26, 2002 11:10 pm

For that sort of job, I'm not inclined to believe that a degree would matter that much, anyway -- unless you're supposed to be designing new security models instead of administering and applying them, in which case some education in formal methods, program correctness and network security would be handy.

Experience (work experience, and, yes, certifications) and trustworthiness (references) would seem to be more important.  Don't sweat the lack of degree.
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Postby Adriac » Tue Mar 26, 2002 11:14 pm

Actually, if you have a degree you really can get a better job. It may not matter in terms of actual experience, but people will pay you more.

Age also helps. Seriously, my 18 year old brother had his boss actually tell him that if he was thirty he would be paid like twice what he was.

(Edited by Adriac at 5:19 pm on Mar. 26, 2002)
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Postby Chad Mulligan » Tue Mar 26, 2002 11:21 pm

In the general case.  But for a network security engineer with a non-researchish job scope, an employer would be silly to consider a general degree in computer science as much of an asset -- especially at the Bachelor's level, where the intersection between the curiculuum and practical experience is normally quite low.  In any event, a sufficiently interested high schooler can read up on Stevens and Tanenbaum, and even the RFCs if desired, and set up his own firewalls and so forth -- and get more job-specific experience than university courses provide.

But yeah, if you're looking at a job at a corporate technical research facility, a Ph.D. is often the minimum, since it demonstrates some ability and interest in significant research.
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Postby einstein » Tue Mar 26, 2002 11:41 pm

well im quite shocked.... im the erm 6th post in this thread and no1 has even said well done to kaos... well congrats kaos!!! im happy 4 u at least!!!!!
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Postby iceklown_uplink » Tue Mar 26, 2002 11:41 pm

unix... *shudder*
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Postby SeriousWorm_uplink » Tue Mar 26, 2002 11:54 pm

What's wrong with Unix?
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Postby H0bo » Wed Mar 27, 2002 3:28 am

Hey Kaos - you gonna work for B.T. too...LOL - They Employed me without a degree (I'm too tight to pay for one:biggrin:) Seriously though - Good luck for monday.
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Postby iceklown_uplink » Wed Mar 27, 2002 4:09 am

i have had VERY bad experiences with unix. its not the OS of my choice. linux is better, but just too many late nights of hair pulling agony.
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Postby Adriac » Wed Mar 27, 2002 4:14 am

Hair pulling agony means you're healthy :biggrin:
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Postby Sabin » Wed Mar 27, 2002 4:55 am

Quote: from Adriac on 3:14 am on Mar. 27, 2002[br]Hair pulling agony means you're healthy :biggrin:


Indeed.
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Kaos
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Postby Kaos » Wed Mar 27, 2002 8:00 pm

Thanks everyone for your advice/info and for the congrats..
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Postby Slider » Thu Mar 28, 2002 2:12 pm

so i guess you are the person who is gona try n bust me, ahah
Lao Tseu once said something like:
IF YOU SEE A GOOD IN EVERY BAD YOU WILL BE A HAPPIER MAN
so take the advice, also do not trust Science, it has stopped human evolution (contreversial)

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