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[Pruvan]

Mod made obsolete by fixes in Alpha-24.

[MAdMaN]

How about putting the mod somewhere for download for people that prefer to play the DRM-free copy of the game.

[xander]

How about putting the mod somewhere for download for people that prefer to play the DRM-free copy of the game.

s/DRM/Steam/

The Steam version has no DRM (so far as I can tell)---it is simply downloaded and managed via Steam.

[/pedant]

xander

[MAdMaN]

How about putting the mod somewhere for download for people that prefer to play the DRM-free copy of the game.

s/DRM/Steam/

The Steam version has no DRM (so far as I can tell)---it is simply downloaded and managed via Steam.

[/pedant]

xander

It has the Steam Workshop incorporated into it so it can't be run without having Steam running.

[xander]

It has the Steam Workshop incorporated into it so it can't be run without having Steam running.

Which is what I said above. Integration with the Steam Workshop is not the same as DRM.

xander

[MAdMaN]

Which is what I said above. Integration with the Steam Workshop is not the same as DRM.

xander

Integration with the Steam Workshop means the game needs Steam to run and Steam is a form of DRM. I've had physical copies of Steamworks games delivered a day or two before their UK release date and Steam won't even let me install them.

[xander]

Which is what I said above. Integration with the Steam Workshop is not the same as DRM.

xander

Integration with the Steam Workshop means the game needs Steam to run and Steam is a form of DRM. I've had physical copies of Steamworks games delivered a day or two before their UK release date and Steam won't even let me install them.

Honestly, I think that we are arguing semantics. I hear, use, and understand the phrase "Digital Rights Management" (i.e. DRM) to mean technologies that are intended to provide technical means for controlling copyrighted materials. The phrase is about *intent*. The Steam version of Prison Architect hooks into the Steam Workshop in order to facilitate distribution of mods and save files. The *intent* is not to prevent people from making copies of Prison Architect, but to allow them to more easily share files. This is reinforced by the fact that once one pays for the Steam version, one is also free to download the stand-alone version, which runs just fine without Steam. The Steam version has the added feature of integration with the Steam workshop.

You, on the other hand, seem to be using the phrase DRM to mean technologies that have the *effect* of preventing access. I can understand why one might feel that way, but I can't agree to that use of the phrase. Otherwise, releasing only a Windows version of a game would be a form of DRM, as it would have the effect of preventing access to anyone who doesn't have a Windows PC.

xander

[Pruvan]

Alright alright, take it outside you two. You're derailing the thread again.

To answer the question, I won't be uploading the mod anywhere else. It's too much of a hassle to juggle between multiple uploads to keep everything up-to-date, especially when I want to make minor changes to my stuff. The Steam Workshop works great in that it keeps anyone who uses my mods up to date automatically, I see no reason not to use such a service when IV has gone out of its way to integrate it into the game.

In addition, despite wanting to end the topic, I do share Xander's sentiment. In that I do not consider Steam to be a real DRM service, it does not restrict you nearly as much as people tend to make it out to do. You can start it in offline mode, disable its overlay, disable its ads, hell, you can ignore the fact it's even running given it consumes next to no memory while active. As such, I see no reason for people not to make use of it, especially given the benefits of the Workshop as mentioned above.

If you want to discuss whether or not Steam should be considered a DRM service you are free to do so, but elsewhere. Let's leave it at that here.

[xander]

A quick bit of Googling found this: http://gaddons.org/workshop . It promises to download things off of the Steam workshop without requiring a Steam login.

xander

[5hifty]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_(software)

Steam is an internet-based digital distribution, digital rights management, multiplayer, and social networking platform developed by Valve Corporation.

Steam provides digital rights management (DRM) for software titles by providing "custom executable generation" for executable files that are unique for each user; this allows the user to install the software on multiple computing devices via Steam or through software backups without limitations.