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Re: Alpha 17 rumors/expectations
Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:03 pm
by _alphaBeta_
Regarding the road map, I certainly agree that it would be nice to have. But put yourself in a developer position for just a moment. Releasing a road map is a big decision, and no matter how much you state that it's only a road map and subject to change, people will become fixated on its contents. They'll then feel cheated that their favorite item on the road map was never implemented, and become vocal about it on forums, FB pages, twitter, private PMs and emails to IV etc. The public elements make for bad press when outsiders see the bashing without knowing the full context. In the end, you may wind up shooting yourself in the foot.
Just like IV avoids putting forth deadlines for Alpha deliveries, they do the same with a road map. As much as I'd like to have one, I understand why one hasn't been released.
Bottom line, I wasn't promised one when buying the game, so I remain content. I bought the game under the full understanding that I'd be playing an Alpha release complete with game breaking bugs, and having no official knowledge about where the game was going. If the next Alpha started introducing ridiculous concepts (from my point of view), I'd certainly voice my negative feedback here. In the end though, it's my loss for buying an unfinished game.
Re: Alpha 17 rumors/expectations
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:34 pm
by Ryster
Ric666 wrote:111none wrote:Edit, after reading two other posts. I can see why people tend to avoid the forums. Every attempt to create a suggestion or review eventually turns into a fight between the "veterans" of this forum,
+1
Sad isn't it? I'd say 50% of topics here ends in a petty argument. Picking that number out of the sky though. It could be higher

I don't post too much on here. but I too have noticed this. Strange thing is, it always seems to be xander and a few others at the centre of these emo rage matches.
And just to clear something up for xander's benefit... expressing an opinion that you think something is needed
is not a demand, no matter how childishly you protest otherwise and throw in complex words.
Re: Alpha 17 rumors/expectations
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 10:01 pm
by dubhe
Re: Alpha 17 rumors/expectations
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 10:22 pm
by _alphaBeta_
dubhe wrote:My other biggest gripe is that there is not enough of a wild card factor. I can pretty much maintain my prisoners needs/happiness without much of an issue. It would be nice to have some sudden problems even if you are doing all the "right" things to keep it interesting.
Completely
agree.
Re: Alpha 17 rumors/expectations
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 10:28 pm
by Kezarus
Every project need a plan. It will be a a very good idea if IV published a roadmap to let us, the supporters of the project, know what they plan to do. Many others Indie Developers do that. I think IV is in the right direction, but they aren't an exception.
Re: Alpha 17 rumors/expectations
Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 5:01 pm
by 111none
Kezarus wrote:Every project need a plan. It will be a a very good idea if IV published a roadmap to let us, the supporters of the project, know what they plan to do. Many others Indie Developers do that. I think IV is in the right direction, but they aren't an exception.
They need a plan yes, but IV hasn't let me down yet.
They have a roadmap,they just don't have it viewed by the public.
Re: Alpha 17 rumors/expectations
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:34 pm
by Konni
Since we can all be regarded as shareholders/investors in this project, everyone is entitled to demand anything. Of course, IV does not have to comply with the demand. However, it is not like we were alpha testers and are only supposed to provide feedback. We gave them our money out of trust and support. I think more communication and transparency really would not hurt.
Re: Alpha 17 rumors/expectations
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:39 pm
by Kezarus
Konni wrote:Since we can all be regarded as shareholders/investors in this project, everyone is entitled to demand anything. Of course, IV does not have to comply with the demand. However, it is not like we were alpha testers and are only supposed to provide feedback. We gave them our money out of trust and support. I think more communication and transparency really would not hurt.
Agreed. It's a strange notion some people act as withhold of information is a normal thing. It isn't.
Re: Alpha 17 rumors/expectations
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:40 pm
by thekillergreece
According on twitter new tweet, chris made VisualEffect: CreateUrination
Could that mean that we can actually see prisoner peeing?
Re: Alpha 17 rumors/expectations
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:44 pm
by Kezarus
thekillergreece wrote:According on twitter new tweet, chris made VisualEffect: CreateUrination
Could that mean that we can actually see prisoner peeing?
My firts reaction was: "Wait... Wahhh?" Hahaha.
Well, that was missing, but "peeing graphics" land more on a polish than a feature one. I'm really looking foward to see what they will do on update 17.
Re: Alpha 17 rumors/expectations
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:48 pm
by thekillergreece
Kezarus wrote:thekillergreece wrote:According on twitter new tweet, chris made VisualEffect: CreateUrination
Could that mean that we can actually see prisoner peeing?
My firts reaction was: "Wait... Wahhh?" Hahaha.
Well, that was missing, but "peeing graphics" land more on a polish than a feature one. I'm really looking foward to see what they will do on update 17.
We wanna see...Tomorrow or thursday/Friday..
Anyway, I am sure alpha17 will feature new gameplay elements.
Re: Alpha 17 rumors/expectations
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:51 pm
by knoest26
I guess that means he has been coding today so Alpha 17 won't be released today. On the other hand, it seems like a bit of coding he would do as a joke while mark was on a lunchbreak, meaning they had some spare time before releasing Alpha 17.
Re: Alpha 17 rumors/expectations
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:59 pm
by thekillergreece
knoest26 wrote:I guess that means he has been coding today so Alpha 17 won't be released today. On the other hand, it seems like a bit of coding he would do as a joke while mark was on a lunchbreak, meaning they had some spare time before releasing Alpha 17.
Monday and Tuesday days are impossible for a release. Perhaps tomorrow or thursday and friday are the days for alpha17... I hope they will do some "body" simulations

Re: Alpha 17 rumors/expectations
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 2:00 pm
by knoest26
I don't they are impossible, just unlikely
Re: Alpha 17 rumors/expectations
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 2:05 pm
by Kezarus
Would love to see any of these features:
- Death Row
- Contraband/Drug use
- Diseases
- Gangs