Night time regime problems

[HeroFV]

I have noticed that the game seems to treat night time the same despite what your regime is or what prisoner needs are.

I have posted the needs, regime & job assignments below and you can see...
1) They clearly don't need sleep.
2) They are supposed to be working! lmao Lazy bums

I had hoped to catch a couple working in the last screenshot, but none are working. Occasionally, a small handful will be working (2-5), but the rest just sleep lmao I do understand that when it is work time the prisoners w/o jobs treat the time as free time. However, none are working and even the ones that couldn't shouldn't be sleeping when they don't need sleep. They could be taking a shower to help prevent that 6am hygiene meltdown, that also seems to be a programmed in problem!?!?! (Bunch of grungy bucks)

Am I missing something or is this clearly something programmed to happen? Which makes no sense, that a game about controlling prisoner needs and regime, gives absolutely no control over their habits and needs?

[UberFuber]

I believe that when given free time, the prisoner will keep sleeping until its day time.
It does make some sense due to circadian rhythm, people naturally want to sleep when it gets dark.

I would love to have a "regime" that simply trigger all prisoners to wake up instead of having an hour-long shower regime to do so.

[HeroFV]

Yeah, though it makes sense by human nature, it seems kind of pointless to have a regime when it's not enforced ><

[Meeeps]

prisoners don't wake up for work, (I wouln't too;-), prisoners get up for eat, for yard or shower or at 8am

[HeroFV]

prisoners don't wake up for work, (I wouln't too;-), prisoners get up for eat, for yard or shower or at 8am

Yeah but what prison would assign a regime and then not enforce it? That's my point

[planettop92]

From viewtopic.php?f=43&t=46877 :

First, it is important to understand what the regime settings do. The settings don't force the prisoners to do any particular activity. Instead, they direct the prisoners to go into a certain room. From there, the prisoners will fulfill any needs that they can while they are in the room. So when you put an hour of "Sleep" into your regime, you are actually directing your prisoners to go to their cells for that hour. They may sleep if they are tired, or use the toilet, or do whatever else they can do in their cell.

So the problem isn't with the regime, it's with the deployment. Your deployment screen assigns a certain number of prisoners to certain areas of the prison during the work regime. Since none of your prisoners are assigned a room, they naturally continue with whatever activity they were previously doing (in this case, sleep since they were previously in free time in the middle of the night). You'll have to wake them up with an hour of Yard or something in order for them to work (think of it as a sort of pseudo - Roll Call).

[planettop92]

you can actually see this in other activities such as eat and shower too. as long as they are performing some kind of activity, they won't immediately be assigned a room during work.

[HeroFV]

From viewtopic.php?f=43&t=46877 :

First, it is important to understand what the regime settings do. The settings don't force the prisoners to do any particular activity. Instead, they direct the prisoners to go into a certain room. From there, the prisoners will fulfill any needs that they can while they are in the room. So when you put an hour of "Sleep" into your regime, you are actually directing your prisoners to go to their cells for that hour. They may sleep if they are tired, or use the toilet, or do whatever else they can do in their cell.

So the problem isn't with the regime, it's with the deployment. Your deployment screen assigns a certain number of prisoners to certain areas of the prison during the work regime. Since none of your prisoners are assigned a room, they naturally continue with whatever activity they were previously doing (in this case, sleep since they were previously in free time in the middle of the night). You'll have to wake them up with an hour of Yard or something in order for them to work (think of it as a sort of pseudo - Roll Call).

Ah. Thanx for that. I had no idea That makes a lot of sense!

If that's the case then, it seems it could use some work I think the regime should be enforced If the regime says work, they should work lmfao

I do appreciate the clarity though. I learn a lot from this site

Any insight on the insane morning hygiene meltdown? I assume it might be a similar type of thing lmao

[ans090909]

Regarding the OP assertion that the prisoners don't need sleep, one of the things I've noticed is that if I save at night and reload the game later, the sleep counter is reset. Upon reloading the game, all of the prisoners are fully rested (even if only 5 minutes of game time has passed since they first went to their cells for sleep). That may be part of the problem where prisoners don't appear to need sleep.

[planettop92]

I do appreciate the clarity though. I learn a lot from this site

as am I. I'm currently studying Computer Science with a certificate in Computer Gaming, so this stuff really interests me.

Any insight on the insane morning hygiene meltdown? I assume it might be a similar type of thing lmao

unfortunately, I don't. but if I were to guess, it'll probably be how bed's are implemented. like other objects, prisoners go to the tile where the bed is located and stay on top of that tile in order to use it. naturally, that tile would increase in dirtiness just like how other tiles become dirty. for example, heavily traffic areas around your prison in which guards, workers, and prisoners always walk through tend to be dirtier than say a deserted storage area. if that were the case, it would make sense how both the environmental and hygiene need would skyrocket the longer the prisoner stays on top of that tile (in this case, it'll be due to the large amount of sleep prisoners get).

if I am correct about this, I'm sure the devs will fix this problem either in a future alpha update or when the game goes into beta. else, I'd like to think my prisoners are secretly tunneling and getting themselves dirty

[LordMarconius]

I would really love it if you could set some kind of "wake up" or "awake time" in the regime. In my current prison, prisoners have their own showers, one in each cell, so there is no designated shower time, they just get an hour of free time. Problem is, if I make that before 8am, the lazy bums will just sleep in, then get up and grumble right until after lunch that they didn't get to shower.

Another, more refined solution would be to have prisoners actually only sleep when they need to, but allow them to do that anytime, maybe let them even take naps or such during the day. If you want to be really detailed with it, give each prisoner a biological clock, so some prefer sleeping early, some late, some maybe even through the day! Of course, this would require some more detailed scheduling options to be workable.

[Meeeps]

prisoners don't wake up for work, (I wouln't too;-), prisoners get up for eat, for yard or shower or at 8am

Yeah but what prison would assign a regime and then not enforce it? That's my point

It does enforce it, the only exception is work, because it has different rooms and what are you doing with the prisoners not getting a work slot? The logic would be too complicated to decide who you need to wake up and which prisoners can continue sleeping. Wake up with shower, yard or eat is fine imo. (as xander said, those regime which force inmates to switch room)

Edit: it is also important to let prisoners finish the current action, not just sleeping, also eating or whatever they are doing... (and use idling/free inmates for the work slots.