"Unconsesual intercourse"

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Postby jokeyrhyme » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:43 pm

One of the early grants is to hire a psychologist, yet he basically does nothing (although he passively provides us with prisoner information). If a rape has occurred, shouldn't we have to send the psychologist to the victim to repair his/her emotional health, as well as a nurse to mend their physical health?

Also, not all homosexual activity in prisons is rape, but even consensual sex is not allowed in prison. This could be a type of activity that guards need to stop that refreshingly doesn't need a trip to the medical ward afterwards.

As for animation wise, maybe if it is consensual you just see a love heart over the participants. If it's rape, then there shouldn't be a love heart, and it could just reuse the brawl animations.
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Postby Disc10 » Sat Nov 24, 2012 5:37 am

It's a hell of a tricky one, depending on what the final intention of the game is. Is it "just" a prison management game, or is it intended to a commentary on the state of the American (for the most part) prison system?

If it's just being used as a theme, and nothing more (or not much else), then it's probably safest and perfectly understandable to gloss over it somewhat. However if it is meant to be more than that, if it is a statement about the prison system in a similar way that Defcon was a statement about nuclear war... well you kinda should approach it.
However the fears are understandable. It can't be boiled down to just a game mechanic, just another problem to be "fixed". But how do you do that, how do you include it in the game in a way that doesn't trivialise it? is it even possible? The idea of the polaroids could really help there, if only for the sheer contrast. Take the execution in the introduction for example, that actually took me aback somewhat having the little cartoon guys in juxtaposition with the grittier polaroids. Just have it the once, the first time it happens, and then underplay it afterwards. The statement can be made and then, maybe using the psychologists, the game can deal with it "under the hood" as it were.

The only issue I take with not approaching it at all is that, well, if we want gaming to be taken seriously as an artistic medium then we need to stop being afraid to approach these subjects. Books and television do it fairly often, and are even praised for it. But naturally they've found tactful ways of dealing with it, being much older mediums. I don't envy the people trying to work this out for our own medium honestly!

It's an uncomfortable subject, as it well should be. I'd be a little worried if anyone was actually comfortable with it. But the fact it happens is generally just swept under the rug, usually in the form of humour. And I understand why, humour is a coping mechanism for many many people (including myself I freely admit). But maybe there should be more people saying "hey, this is a horrible thing that happens, don't forget that".

I don't know, at this point I'm just thinking aloud. I figured I'd throw in my two cents about a very difficult subject, for all it's worth. Hopefully future words will be in the form of bug reports and ideas on less grim parts of the game!
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Postby NoOpen » Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:10 am

I typed for over 2 hours answering most people in this forum correcting there terribly atrocious assumptions people have about rape and prison then I realized something...It's the most pointless argument for a game feature I have seen in my entire life hands down. So I leave you with my final line all that ever needed to be said.

In closing putting this into the game is just a stupid risk, As people have mentioned you will get the same results and feeling of "prison realism" with a bullying system. Which is in fact a MUCH bigger worry and more psychologically traumatizing to your average prisoner than rape just do the research :)
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Postby HerrJoebob » Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:14 am

One of the most affecting scenes in the movie "Leaving Las Vegas" is Elizabeth Shue in the shower after being raped. In that movie she is a prostitute who arguably literally asked for that treatment, and it is horrible.

This is not something I want in a game that I would actually play.
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Postby hermanJnr » Sun Jul 14, 2013 2:19 pm

Yeah, I have to say, I really don't understand why people want this in the game. It's ****ed up IMO to want this as a "feature", especially those who think it would be humourous.

Undeniably rape is a problem in prisons (and of course, society in general). However, how would the game benefit in any way by having it "simulated"?

It's like the people that wanted torture added into Dwarf Fortress - nasty and completely pointless (especially since in DF you can already creatively maim your enemies).

If you really like the idea of men using violence to perform appalling sexual violations on each other in a videogame, perhaps you need to take a good step back and reassess your moral value system.
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Postby perryliu97 » Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:14 am

Naked guys in a shower...fighting...

Use your imagination guys...
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Postby Sildaekar » Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:53 am

Like I said in the thread in the general forum:

Sildaekar wrote:Maybe this will settle it. They cannot add rape into the game because Valve will not allow it to be published on steam.

Someone else’s game or software, unless you have specific authorization to do so
Porn, inappropriate or offensive content, warez, or leaked content
Cheating, hacking, or game exploits
Threats of violence or harassment, even as a joke
Games or software using copyrighted material such as assets or intellectual property without permission from the owner
Soliciting, begging, auctioning, selling, advertising, referrals, racism, or discrimination

Now, it's over with, get over it. For all of you poor, sad, strange little people wanting it in: Go wank to a dead puppy or something
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Postby NascgiGale » Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:18 pm

This actually isn't too bad an idea, and it opens the door for a new staff member role; The PREA compliance manager. Also, every three years your facility could be audited for adherence to PREA standards and if they pass receive a bonus grant.
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Postby thekillergreece » Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:41 pm

Rape?Well..Hardest code since guards always station every where every 10 mins in-game..
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Postby Dichotomy » Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:12 am

Hessen wrote:
Illanair wrote:
0235 wrote:hmm. that may be a little bit too risky for a game, but it is a big problem in prisons (oh how i loved the title for this and the description)

The word you're looking for is risque - entirely different meaning. :D

And yes - it might be going a bit far.

To be fair, risky is appropriate too.

I think they were being clever, rather then being picky.

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