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(Suggestion) Why a wall if a fence is better?

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 3:53 pm
by Inkognito
I found a big misstake: Why should I build big and expensive walls around my Prison if I just could use free fences? It does not matter in a gameplay point of view because the prisoners never destruct those small fences and rather try to destroy the good and strong solitary doors.

Give some attributes to the walls! :)

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 3:59 pm
by RabidZombie
Could be that prisoners will be able to cut holes in fences in the future. Would make for a pretty cool trade off between price and security.

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:01 pm
by gsuberland
Can you build indoor fences? Never tried, so I don't know.

A lot of rooms can only be designated on inside areas.

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:06 pm
by Illanair
Fences are an outdoors only "wall"

(see below for a less nonsense response on the fence/wall bit)

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:11 pm
by gsuberland
Illanair wrote:As Rabid mentions the intent is most likely that fences (while free) can take more abuse and is harder to get through (seeming as you'd have to blow or hack through it) while you could get through a fence using fairly simple tools (the greenkeeper branch cutting tool springs to mind)

And no - fences are an outdoors only "wall"


Erm, run that one past me again? Fences are free, and can take more abuse, and are harder to get through, whilst you can get through a fence easily? Did you typo?

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:15 pm
by Illanair
:lol:

I accidentally the entire sentence there for sure. Yes - I of course mean that proper brick/concrete walls would require a lot more OOMPH to get through, while a "simple" barbwire fence is fairly easy to get through.

Of course if you ignore those deadly hooked barbwire fences that new super secure american prison has - you'd never get close enough to cut them before you'd be stuck for life.

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:52 pm
by thisisgil
It doesn't appear to be a great idea to surround your prison with fences. I tried, and I suspect it's how I broke vehicle spawning and paths....

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 5:14 pm
by Illanair
thisisgil wrote:It doesn't appear to be a great idea to surround your prison with fences. I tried, and I suspect it's how I broke vehicle spawning and paths....


Not on my end - All of my prisons are surrounded by a fence wall, an empty space and then a solid concrete wall.

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 5:15 pm
by Ada
IMO they should add a cost to the fences. Perhaps a small one but it should exist just for the cause of immersion. =P

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 9:17 pm
by cplr
Yeah, agreed. I thought it was weird they are free - perhaps $1/tile would be good

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 9:21 pm
by jelco
Some 'rooms' like the Yard require it to be surrounded to be walls, and will not accept fences as those outdoor walls. Unless you want to build a Yard building this is a good reason to not only use fences.

Jelco

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 9:29 pm
by Inkognito
jelco wrote:Some 'rooms' like the Yard require it to be surrounded to be walls, and will not accept fences as those outdoor walls. Unless you want to build a Yard building this is a good reason to not only use fences.

Jelco


Yeah, BUT: Why should I build a big wall around my prison to prevent prisoners fleeing? I can just use the free fences. Would be great if those bad prisoners try to destroy the fences if they try to get out and not only destroy doors.

Maybe some people are understanding me from :/.

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 9:59 pm
by Stardog
Inkognito wrote:
jelco wrote:Some 'rooms' like the Yard require it to be surrounded to be walls, and will not accept fences as those outdoor walls. Unless you want to build a Yard building this is a good reason to not only use fences.

Jelco


Yeah, BUT: Why should I build a big wall around my prison to prevent prisoners fleeing? I can just use the free fences. Would be great if those bad prisoners try to destroy the fences if they try to get out and not only destroy doors.

Maybe some people are understanding me from :/.

Post #2 already explained this. Maybe in the future they will be able to climb/cut fences.

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:42 pm
by thekev506
jelco wrote:Some 'rooms' like the Yard require it to be surrounded to be walls, and will not accept fences as those outdoor walls. Unless you want to build a Yard building this is a good reason to not only use fences.

Jelco


I've made a yard just using fences without any issues.

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:57 am
by askiba
jelco wrote:Some 'rooms' like the Yard require it to be surrounded to be walls, and will not accept fences as those outdoor walls. Unless you want to build a Yard building this is a good reason to not only use fences.

Jelco


The reason you couldn't create outdoor yards was because that fence didn't have a door securing the yard. The requirement isn't "has walls", it's "behind one door". :)