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For future Beta Testers (a must read).

Postby Gravitron » Sat Jun 19, 2004 8:18 pm

This is the stuff which seperates the QA from the rest of the "my game isn't working! I want to play!" free-feeding cryers.

http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html
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Re: For future Beta Testers (a must read).

Postby NeoThermic » Sat Jun 19, 2004 8:28 pm

Gravitron wrote:This is the stuff which seperates the QA from the rest of the "my game isn't working! I want to play!" free-feeding cryers.

http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html


Fairly intresting stuff. I've used most of this stuff when I help support phpBB on IRC (#phpBB on freenode for those who care/want to visit/etc).

The number of people who just ask 'It doesn't work, what do I do?' is staggering. Half of the conversations with them is just getting out more information. Most of the time I do happen to solve them. Those that I don't solve I ask them to post it on the phpBB forums in support, and ask them to try add more info. Nine times out of ten, the post on the forums contains more information than they gave me and I was able to solve it.

I do ponder if this would make me a good beta tester. Knowing what the other person requires to reproduce is crtical.

Eh, only time will tell.


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Postby Gravitron » Sat Jun 19, 2004 8:49 pm

Well you know, when it comes to the end user, 90% of times, he's more a pathetic creature than a vax beowoulf cluster. :twisted:
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Postby jim_the_coder » Sat Jun 19, 2004 8:55 pm

Very useful link thanks :) I help out on a c++ coding forum; the board admins have posted this link on the top of the page to try to deal with newbs:

http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

That's got some relevant stuff as well. Also one of the sections is "stuff about proper etiquette on Web forums." Some of the trolls on the Uplink boards should give it a read...
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Postby NeoThermic » Sat Jun 19, 2004 8:55 pm

Gravitron wrote:Well you know, when it comes to the end user, 90% of times, he's more a pathetic creature than a vax beowoulf cluster. :twisted:


From the number of people i've helped, only 1 has been totally clueless (as in trying to use phpBB without a web server, PHP, and a supported database type).

I'ld say that number is more like 20%. Those that don't know enough can't contact others for help, and thus they are not seen.

Although the sheer number that don't RT[F]M is nearly 95%...


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Postby NeoThermic » Sat Jun 19, 2004 8:59 pm

jim_the_coder wrote:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Some of the trolls on the Uplink boards should give it a read...


Thats assuming they follow links. Which none of them do. I've had that link in my sig for about a year now, and I've seen about 15 clicks on it.


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Postby Gravitron » Sat Jun 19, 2004 9:10 pm

Maybe we should just warn people that if they don't read instructions first, Mitnick is going to pay their bank a personal visit. :twisted:
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Postby Starfyre » Sat Jun 19, 2004 10:42 pm

This will come in handy, and I hope it'll weed out some of the "OMG Is BROEKEN WAT I DO NOW!" bug reports :)

I wonder what the game plays like, though. Never liked Cannon Fodder too much....
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Postby false » Sat Jun 19, 2004 11:07 pm

Gravitron wrote:Maybe we should just warn people that if they don't read instructions first, Mitnick is going to pay their bank a personal visit. :twisted:
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Postby edd8990 » Sun Jun 20, 2004 8:45 am

Ahh useful. This should make bug reports (including mine, if I were to get beta) alot better and easier to understand.

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Postby Epsilon » Sun Jun 20, 2004 10:18 am

Excellent read. Definitely saving that page as I know a rather large number of people who should read it. (3rd year Computer Science at university, 'nuff said)
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Postby Gravitron » Sun Jun 20, 2004 3:39 pm

False, this was both untrue and uncalled for.
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Postby Lord Ovrkill » Sun Jun 20, 2004 4:38 pm

Ok well your guide would have been helpful for a n00b, but thanks an interesting read to say the least, well it looks an interesting game to say that much, like the style if I’m honest hehe and now I’m rambling so I’ll silence
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Postby Spook » Sun Jun 20, 2004 5:30 pm

Epsilon wrote:Excellent read. Definitely saving that page as I know a rather large number of people who should read it. (3rd year Computer Science at university, 'nuff said)


Ah yes.. having graduated from Comp. Sci. last year, I keep remembering the Software Engineering module.. hated it at the time, but it intrigues me now. That same phrase keeps rolling round my head:

"A bugtest is only successful if you actually find bugs. If you don't encounter problems, the bugtest failed."

Something along those lines, anyway :)

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Postby Hektik sniper » Sun Jun 20, 2004 5:48 pm

hmm, that did make an interesting read. Hopefully i can start doing comp sci this year as i couldnt last year because the college were silly and cancelled the course ¬_¬, But from what i here it is pretty damn boring.
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