Introversion

Krion112 wrote:I think if you set it to engineer it'll give you the engineer powerup....

Doesn't work for me, actually... I simply tried modifying a blitz map and nothing happened.

Krion112 wrote:I think if you set it to engineer it'll give you the engineer powerup....

That's wistful thinking more than anything.

You can however give specific powerups to the defender on an assault map. As far as I recall that may be the only way do to it.

Cargo cult map editing is a new one.

I was just saying what I thought, and yes I know, you can set powerups to people, like give an armour powerup to the player, or a squad, or engineer, etc. I'm just testing around in a custom sandbox map i'm in the process of making.

I'm not 100% any more but basically as you appear to have discovered , control stations and control towers both functionally work the same way (links and all) to change the team of most buildings, including trunk ports which may offer reinforcements. The only exception off of the top of my head is Assault, where the WMD is linked to control stations and transforms them into different buildings.

I think, additionally, you can specify both attacker and defender reinforcement types. You might find these work in non assault maps too, randomly, but I dunno. I think Trunkport armour is just specifically armour, and doesn't work for other powerups, but I really don't remember.

Alternatively, you may find that the flag RunAsTask in the instant unit definitions is helpful for at least giving each time an engineer at the start which they must use carefully. (At least I think this works)

Isnt the only difference that 1 is captured by engineers and the other is captured by multiwinians?

Krion112 wrote:Isnt the only difference that 1 is captured by engineers and the other is captured by multiwinians?

In Darwinia, it was only engineers. In Multiwinia, engineers only collect souls now. Multiwinians do the rest.

Or if you prefer to actually be relavent to the question in hand, yes, that's almost entirely the only difference - control stations use DGs, control towers need engineers. You can use either depending on the mechanic you wish to create, but generally control stations are better, control towers only being really useful to reward someone who's lucky enough to get an engineer.

I suppose I wasn't clear enough with my post, I didn't mean to imply they were the same building now - I meant that they functioned, in terms of what they could accomplish, in the same way. They do indeed require DGs and engineers respectively.

Are you sure? I'm pretty sure they both use Multiwinians... But I don't really know.

NeatNit wrote:Are you sure? I'm pretty sure they both use Multiwinians... But I don't really know.

If you don't know, then why are you posting? Especially when you are wrong?

xander

I would answer you, but I know *exactly* how you'd respond so I'll just keep my mouth shut.

The learning begins!

I'm really sorry about bumping this but it seemed pointless to make another.

Omg I found it.

I figured out how to get Engineers to spawn as reinforcement waves 8D. Turns out to be a hell-of-a-lot simpler than I thought. I'll give credit to The_GoldFish because I was playing around with his edited Zulus Revenge map when I found this.

Here's how you do it:

LevelOptions trunkportreinforcements (whatever number) defenderreinforcementtype Engineer

The second thing comes from Assault but I just tried it and you can still exploit this option for Domination and I assume for every gametype. I'm soooo making a map with this later.

In the meantime here is the crappy empty test map I've been useing all this time to test the limits for maps heheh.

"mp_domination_2P_emptyTest.txt" blah blah blah.... look at the other map threads to lazy to copy the rest.....

The GoldFish wrote:I think, additionally, you can specify both attacker and defender reinforcement types. You might find these work in non assault maps too, randomly, but I dunno. I think Trunkport armour is just specifically armour, and doesn't work for other powerups, but I really don't remember.

Evidently, that comes as little surprise to me.

The problem, really, is using it in effective way. In theory the control buildings can change the team of any building in the game. Engineers would work much better for that task if they didn't want to run around collecting souls, too, and you have to consider that (I don't think, anyway) you can't change the interval at which you get reinforcements. The question really is, what purpose do engineers serve using control towers that MWs using control stations doesn't? I suppose the only things are, engineers find it easier to traverse water, take longer to reprogram a tower (they can also fight over it) and usually aren't on the front lines.

The GoldFish wrote:I think, additionally, you can specify both attacker and defender reinforcement types. You might find these work in non assault maps too, randomly, but I dunno. I think Trunkport armour is just specifically armour, and doesn't work for other powerups, but I really don't remember.

... missed that... That's me being slow to connect the dots and read everything.....

Anyway the reason we wanted to bring engineers in was not so much for the control towers as for the soul collecting. The soul collecting is something that I really liked from the first game and I'm glad they didn't take it out, but the problem in Multiwinia is it isn't every game you get something from the crates that can collect those souls. I think it could make a game really interesting if soul collecting was your only source of troops.

We kinda got off topic on this thread, but the new topic had to do with the engineer thing I was playing around with so... ya...