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Statistics required

Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:26 am
by MIB2
Basicaly, its aweful that you can't see how many multiwnians did you kill and on which maps have you won. People need stats, not just post-game, it makes achievements frustrating

Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:20 am
by bert_the_turtle
I partially agree. For the "Explorer" and "Master of Multiwinia" achievements, you need to play/win on every map, and it is not really clear what counts as playing or winning a map (multiplayer? singleplayer against hard AI? Is it OK if your opponents quit?). It would be useful if the map selection would show you where the game thinks you already won/played.

That said, is it even possible to gain these two achievements? I can't see where your partial accomplishments are stored, and I kept extensive notes and I'm pretty sure I already played on every map against real humans who stayed to the end, but don't have the Explorer achievement yet.

Same goes for the kill count, of course. But while the played/won stats help you plan what you do next, to get the Genocide achievement, you just have to play (preferably defend on Assault), so apart from showing you how far you got, there's no benefit.

Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:51 pm
by elDiablo
This is interesting for the Explorer and Master of Multiwinia achievements. I shall see what I can do, but be warned it will be in my spare time now! So, tomorrow!

Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 8:11 pm
by MIB2
And for Genocide? it is realy important to see achievement progress, makes you feel that its achievable

Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:57 pm
by Aegis Tyra
I wish achievements could be extended to those without Steam, as well.
I pre-ordered, but the fact only Steam players get achievements feels almost like I'm being punished for not helping Valve take over the world, and get enough money to launch a rocket shaped like Gordon Freeman's head to establish their secret moon-base.

Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:10 pm
by NukeLord
Aegis Tyra wrote:I wish achievements could be extended to those without Steam, as well.
I pre-ordered, but the fact only Steam players get achievements feels almost like I'm being punished for not helping Valve take over the world, and get enough money to launch a rocket shaped like Gordon Freeman's head to establish their secret moon-base.
Email me a screenshot of you completing one of the achievement objectives and I'll email you back a little badge saying "well done, you can play the game!". I don't really see why everyone is so hung up about not getting achievements in the non-steam version.

(I do agree with the OP though)

Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:18 pm
by Mas Tnega
NukeLord wrote:
Aegis Tyra wrote:I wish achievements could be extended to those without Steam, as well.
I pre-ordered, but the fact only Steam players get achievements feels almost like I'm being punished for not helping Valve take over the world, and get enough money to launch a rocket shaped like Gordon Freeman's head to establish their secret moon-base.
Email me a screenshot of you completing one of the achievement objectives and I'll email you back a little badge saying "well done, you can play the game!". I don't really see why everyone is so hung up about not getting achievements in the non-steam version.

(I do agree with the OP though)
By that merit, why have achievements in the Steam version?

Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:28 pm
by NukeLord
Mas Tnega wrote:By that merit, why have achievements in the Steam version?
Show me where I said having the achievements on Steam was any better :P

Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:13 pm
by Mas Tnega
A simple "The fuck should I know?" would have sufficed.

Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 1:02 am
by Pox
Achievements are more like sending someone a badge with a message saying "Congratulations! You managed to achieve this inane objective at the expense of your teammates' hopes of a victory! Nice going, dicknose!".

Well, in a team game with Valve designing the achievements, anyway. :P

Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 3:57 am
by IronWill
I do not really understand why you care about Steam achievements : they are not really a part of the game... Moreover you can find some tools on Internet who may unlock any Steam achievement.

If you want achievements in Multiwinia, ask for real ones !

And back to the topic : yes we need in-game stats !!

Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 1:58 pm
by MIB2
IronWill wrote:I do not really understand why you care about Steam achievements : they are not really a part of the game... Moreover you can find some tools on Internet who may unlock any Steam achievement.

If you want achievements in Multiwinia, ask for real ones !

And back to the topic : yes we need in-game stats !!


First off - tools? show me at least 1, never even heard.
Second - Real ones? what do you mean by that?
third - yes they are a part of game, if they werent, they would probably woudnt be there

Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 2:03 pm
by Pox
No, they're not a part of the game, really - they don't contribute anything to the gameplay whatsoever. Also, they're only present in the Steam version, so they're clearly just there becase they can be.

Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 2:07 pm
by jelco
- Unlocking tools, there are shitloads of 'em, and simply googling "Steam achievement unlocker" would have shown you that rightaway.
- The "they're part of the game" comment seems to be aimed at the "in-game" part of "in-game stats". What exactly is the point you want to make here?

Both comments are quite unnecessary, the latter also making little sense. Please, if you want to make a point, stick to it and don't start jabbering about the rest of the post which might be perfectly valid. ;)

Jelco

Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:51 pm
by immortalnights
Assuming of course that not all the Steam Achievements are based around multiplayer (as assumption I have to make, since I don't have them). The in my opinion the achievements add value to the Single player game; which, as it stands is nothing more then a simple and ineffective "practice mode". Yes, I know multiwinia is based on multiplayer, but it would be nice to know how fast/well I perform on the maps single player for my own person achievement when I am not interested/unable to play it multiplayer.

Steam achievements add something, their value of course depends on those that have them. Those like me that pre-ordered and got a nice tin, miss out on them and as tiny as they may be, its still something I don't have. I am sure you can understand the need to have something you can't :P