Introversion

http://down.codeweavers.com/

Free for today (28th) only, not able to test it myself but could this help anyone keen to play on Mac/Linux?

Though you might like the chance to try it out

Eruaran wrote:Darwinia was available natively for Linux. I find it hard to believe that its suddenly so difficult to provide Multiwinia to Linux users without requiring us to install another piece of software to get the Windows version to work. I'll fully support Introversion with the Linux version by putting my money where my mouth is, but I wont support a Windows game when the the non-availability of the Linux version is really an artificial barrier and not a technical one.

I'll happily stand corrected if I'm wrong. But did the last of the bedroom programmers sell out to the dark tower ?

What are you talking about?

The non-availability is solely a technical barrier. It takes time to get a Windows program working natively in Linux. If it didn't, Microsoft would have been shut down long ago because we could all just use Windows programs on a Linux system, and not have to deal with daft corporate decisions.

IV haven't sold itself out to the dark tower, and to suggest that not releasing a Linux port instantly makes it so is ridiculous.

As a happy Defcon/Ubuntu veteran I think it's safe to assume that MW will make its way to cross-platform status when possible. Sure, they could have tried to develop every last beta version & patch concurrently in Linux, but that would probably have been a lot of extra work.

Try telling the Windows users that they have to wait another week (or month) because Linux testing isn't finished - we (Mac/Lin) are still a minority, and so is our money... so I am pretty sure IV wouldn't benefit from delaying the Windows version either.

Nobody said you *should* use Crossover, and I don't even know if it *would* work - I just thought everyone might have liked something for free

This is late in coming, but for anybody who is still wondering, I tried the Multiwinia demo using Crossover Games. No dice. Others might have had better luck, but my experience tells me Mac users will just have to patiently wait for Ambrosia to come out with the port.

Devil#2 wrote:This is late in coming, but for anybody who is still wondering, I tried the Multiwinia demo using Crossover Games. No dice. Others might have had better luck, but my experience tells me Mac users will just have to patiently wait for Ambrosia to come out with the port.

Or get a copy of XP, and reboot to play (which is, incidentally, what I have been doing). If you can run Crossover, then you can run Windows, as it only works with the Intel based machines.

xander

Eruaran wrote:I apologise to anyone who thought my original comment was a bit harsh. Upon reflection I think it was. :(

Where I live, Windows XP Home OEM is $154. That's a high price for an ageing and poor operating system that I absolutely hate when I already have a much better one (and I don't advocate "piracy" of proprietary software). And I really don't think its worth creating a partition and installing Windows XP, and then doing the driver marathon just to play one game. I really like my computer the way it is. I really like the OS it runs as it is (it runs much better with GNU/Linux). I'd really like to play games on my computer as it is. I bought DEFCON because I love it and it runs on my computer very nicely as it is. I'll buy Multiwinia when it is available to me.

Installing Windows XP for me is like moving back to a horrible flat I lived in a decade ago. Its like getting back together with an ex-girlfriend who was a nutcase, or going back to some toxic relationship that makes me want to kill myself. I've moved on and I wont go back there. So when somebody says,

xander wrote:get a copy of XP

My answer is, "No!" :evil:

First off, I don't see what the big deal is. It took me less than half an hour to install XP, and all of the drivers are provided by Apply via BootCamp. Apple also has a non-destructive partitioning utility that works really well, and is also easy to use. Honestly, I found installing XP to be relatively painless (of course, I also RTFM).

Second, if you don't want to install XP, then that is the price you pay for idealism. You don't like XP. That's fine -- I don't like it, either. However, I do like Multiwinia (and a few other games, like World of Goo), and I want to be able to play them. So, it was worth it to me to find a copy of XP for cheap, and install it. If it isn't worth it to you, that's fine, but don't pretend that you are a martyr. It is annoying, and makes you look like a religious nut.

xander

jelco wrote:I think it's worth noting that you two are from different universes. The Mac and Linux universes, to be precise. ;)

Jelco

Oi... I missed that. Okay, so disregard the first paragraph. The second still stands.

xander

My biggest problem with installing XP is just that I don't need it enough to try and figure out how to get boot camp. Maybe I'm just not searching hard enough, but I just don't know where to get it! Is it a download? Something I have to order? Something found at the mac store? I know so little about it.

I guess at this point it doesn't matter. I get the feeling Ambrosia is getting close to release, so I'll just patiently wait my turn.

I'm not sure if I ever tested the retail version, but for anyone that cares I know the beta worked perfectly in Wine, so odds are retail does too.

Well you buy stuff to suit your needs, hardware / software, and if windows is needed to play Multiwinia then so be it, I use Ubuntu and Wine, it works great, concidering you can get XP Pro on ebay brand new so cheap, some cases just as cheap as an Xbox or Playstation game would cost, so why the big cry? Don't want XP clogging up your system? Wine! Mac has bootcamp and its so easy to use! Linux has wine, and Windows has Windows

I agree with xander 100%, if you choose to use linux, that was your choice, it was either because of wanting it free, being in control, or the things you can do with it. As it stands, native Multiwinia is not sometihng you can do with it, sit down and be patent or buy Windows. Simple!

Eruaran wrote:You can call me names (martyr ? religious nut ?) for refusing to be corralled into badware all you like. The answer is still, no.

You know, you really don't seem to know the first thing about me. I ran Linux for years (1998-2001). I liked it for what it was (an OS that one can tinker with), but I found it utterly useless for getting any real work done. There are now more apps for Linux than there were back then (OpenOffice, for instance), but I still find the OS itself to be a bloody kludge, and lack of unity from one app to another to be a major pain in the ass.

I have also used every version of Windows since 95. I don't much like Windows -- it does the wrong thing with my input far too often (for instance, having error messages grab keyboard focus -- I don't know how many times I've seen an error message flicker by as I am typing). However, it is the standard OS for gaming. As I don't play that many games, I find that I can generally get by without it.

I prefer to use the Mac OS. I still have access to a powerful command line, but there is a nice GUI on top of it. It does what I need it to do.

All of that being said, I really don't care what OS anyone else does, and I accept the fact that games are never going to appear for the Mac OS at the same rate that they do for Windows. I have accepted that I can choose to either install Windows on one of my machines, or wait for a native release. I chose to install Windows. You seem to think this makes me a bad person, or deluded, or something. Fine, whatever, I don't really care.

On the other hand, the fact that you are so very vocal about your one, true OS makes you appear to be a religious zealot. Either wait patiently, or install Windows (or Wine, or whatever else you need to make it work).

xander

Wine requires Windows, its a vertual PC type application, so he can't even use wine, as he said he doesnt want to buy Windows, so unless he is going to get a pirate copy, even Wine is out of the window for him unless he buys it.

Killjoy wrote:Wine requires Windows, its a vertual PC type application, so he can't even use wine, as he said he doesnt want to buy Windows, so unless he is going to get a pirate copy, even Wine is out of the window for him unless he buys it.

Wrong.

Wine does not require windows. You do not have to have a copy of a windows disk. You do not need to have any of the Windows OS on your system.

Wine allows you to run many (read: most) windows applications from Linux. You don't even necessarily have to use anything proprietary, at all, to use windows applications via Wine.

Thats Even Better then, if Multiwinia works in Wine, and wine is 100% free, whats the problem?

Killjoy wrote:Thats Even Better then, if Multiwinia works in Wine, and wine is 100% free, whats the problem?

The problem is that he would rather complain about the lack of native Linux support (which is coming) than actually do something about his situation in the here-and-now.

xander