It's all in your head, Part 13

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Postby martin » Wed Jan 07, 2009 8:06 pm

louman wrote:
martin wrote:I would imagine that it only simulates the level of detail that you can see, so either an entire city but not very many systems (I don't suppose many systems are big enough to need to be simulated in such a huge scale) or a single building and every system simulated but Just in that building.


That could work in a single-player, first-person type of game, but not so well under multiplayer or high-level strategy. Perhaps this limitation is a clue as to what sort of game we can expect?


No, it would work better under multiplayer, since systems could be simulated per client, if two clients are looking at different bits of the city they each simulate that part of the city, if they're looking at the same then they swap data like a standard multiplayer game.
I doubt subversion is "high level" strategy, since there is no point simulating such low detail if that's the case.
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Postby MikeTheWookiee » Thu Jan 08, 2009 12:22 am

MadTinkerer wrote:Regarding the sort of game it is, we've had two huge clues from the beginning:

"Subversion" and "It's all in your head".

So isn't it obvious? You're a computer virus (or hacker) in the near-future who can Subvert peoples' minds via their internet data ports. Perhaps Mr. Bibblesby is a 46 year old accountant who has never been late a day in his life and has a spotless record. The worst thing he's ever done is miss the wastebin when chucking a candy wrapper across the room. Well we'll fix that, won't we!?! MUAHAHAHA!!!!

A quick Subversion and we have Mr. Bibblesby crawling through air vents, stealing documents, poking holes in toner cartridges, arranging buckets of water to fall on Executives as they leave their offices, and sabotaging automatic doors! Yes, Bibblesby, go, go, go! Cause as much mayhem as you can before the police show up! Muahahahaha!!!

Then, when they drag poor Bibblesby away, we've already moved onto the offices next door. Who's this? Liza Penbury, a 37 year old secretary for some middle manager in an insurance company? Worst thing she's ever done is put artificial sweetener in her boss's tea when he asked for real sugar? Well we'll fix that, won't we!?!

That's what I'd love to play, anyway.

You mean Grand Theft Stapler?!

I'm not sure even Chris knows what the game's actually going to turn out as right now! The thing I'm wondering is whether someone could input rules into the city / building generator which follow the relevant British (or wherever) Standards for things such as lifts, lights, and wiring. Then set it loose, and it'll come up with all of the design by itself! Yes, that's right, I want to mod the game so that it does my job for me! 8)[size=0]It's not my job yet, but it will be in just over 6 months...[/size]
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Postby Pox » Thu Jan 08, 2009 12:53 am

Yeah, games are too hard nowadays... I wrote a really awesomely accessible one the other day - it gives instant gratification without any effort required! The graphics were brilliant, but I decided they took too much effort to watch, so they're gone.

Code: Select all

#!/bin/sh

echo "Press any key to start"
read
echo "Achievement Unlocked: Do you feel pro yet?"
echo "You win!"
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Postby Phelanpt » Thu Jan 08, 2009 1:24 am

Pox wrote:Yeah, games are too hard nowadays... I wrote a really awesomely accessible one the other day - it gives instant gratification without any effort required! The graphics were brilliant, but I decided they took too much effort to watch, so they're gone.

Code: Select all

#!/bin/sh

echo "Press any key to start"
read
echo "Achievement Unlocked: Do you feel pro yet?"
echo "You win!"


Seems like a good place as any to link Achievement Unlocked. :P
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Postby Pox » Thu Jan 08, 2009 2:24 am

Saw it on RPS, played it, lol'd. Surprisingly, turned out to be lots of fun. :P
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Postby D1Hazel » Thu Jan 08, 2009 2:58 am

Everyone, I've figured put what it is. It's a First Person Shooting Real Time Strategizing Car Boat Plane Racing Sand box GTA Clone in Third Person staring you some guy and some girl. What am I babbling on about? I pretty sure that Subversion will ship with a few game types, such as FPS, RTS, Racing, with the ability to make your own. Awesome!

But I;m not going to play it. "But how can you not LOVE it?" I can't. It's just my PC will die if I try it, unless it has about the same minimum requirements as Half Life 2 (without the engine updates). If it does, then you're pretty much the best programmer ever in the history of the world. Well, if you finish this, you probably will be.

Just don't make it the next Trespasser. It's a personal favorite of mine, a truly innovative game, and a commercial and critical flop. Using a physics engine before Half Life (and, in fact, [i]inspiring[i] Gabe), you used a hand to pick things up and shoot things while avoiding dinosaurs. It was a bit glitchy, though. One time a dinosaur got it's head stuck in it's butt. I am not making this up.

Point is, don't rush it, don't screw it up, and, preferably, make it run on my computer ;D.
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Postby Ace Rimmer » Thu Jan 08, 2009 3:55 am

That music gets to you after a while. :P
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Postby Kros » Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:46 pm

Looking great. Always very excited to see more blog posts. :)
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Postby Adam Black » Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:28 am

Artman40 wrote:Finally we have the first interactive element in the engine.

Yes, and finally I'm starting to get excited about this game. Game being the operative word, as the procedurally generated buildings meant nothing to me, whereas thinking about the potential for interactivity on this scale makes me giggle. This is why Introversion are design kings; I'm sure we all think about this sort of thing from time to time, why couldn't the designers have let you done this or that: Chris has managed to destroy our feeble expectations with the greatest of ease, simply with some intelligent forward planning and groundwork on which to build a game with seemingly infinite detail.

However, it may all run smoothly now it's in wireframe, but I shudder to think what the specifications will be once everything is textured and bump-mapped and modelled and so on. For the sake of my graphics card, I hope IV can code their way around that...
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Postby KingAl » Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:41 am

MadTinkerer wrote:<snip>

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Postby Artman40 » Fri Jan 09, 2009 5:42 am

Adam Black wrote:However, it may all run smoothly now it's in wireframe, but I shudder to think what the specifications will be once everything is textured and bump-mapped and modelled and so on. For the sake of my graphics card, I hope IV can code their way around that...


But why won't stick to wireframe then? It has 4 advantages:
1: It's stylish.
2: It's less CPU-intensive.
3: Developers have to spend time to find and use textures.
4: It allows to avoid next-gen brown colour scheme (with huge amounts of light bloom) easily.
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Postby xander » Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:02 am

Adam Black wrote:However, it may all run smoothly now it's in wireframe, but I shudder to think what the specifications will be once everything is textured and bump-mapped and modelled and so on. For the sake of my graphics card, I hope IV can code their way around that...

What makes you think that IV are not going to stick with the wireframe models, or something similar? It would certainly be in keeping with the aesthetic of their other games...

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Postby Pox » Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:14 am

Subversion better look like Subversion. Subversion has no textures.
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Postby Romanu » Fri Jan 09, 2009 1:17 pm

I have to say that I love the look right now and i hope it doesn't changes. Okay maybe to reflect light sources in the world or whatever but still it looks great.
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Postby martin » Fri Jan 09, 2009 1:49 pm

Adam Black wrote:However, it may all run smoothly now it's in wireframe, but I shudder to think what the specifications will be once everything is textured and bump-mapped and modelled and so on. For the sake of my graphics card, I hope IV can code their way around that...


I imagine what we're seeing now will be the style of the final thing, I seem to remember a blog post by chris about how he spent a while working on getting the graphics working.
If this is just test graphics, he wouldn't have bothered :P
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