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Re: We come in Peace

Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:00 pm
by ynbniar
martinmir wrote:If you believe Introversion games to be commercial then what do you call merging Sonic and Mario to form a game based around the Olympics for the console Nintendo Wii.

You have to give us some credit for giving you guys something different to play.


As I get older I find myself questioning why I want to play a game. It's not enough for a game to be different...there has to be a hook for me and I'm finding that hook more and more difficult to find.

Everyday Shooter is the last game I bought and enjoyed (still enjoy) playing...for the sounds more than the somewhat retro shooter game play. That's the hook...

"Commercial" games just don't work for me any more...as Trinity said to Neo(approx)..."you've been down that road before, you know where it leads"...it's how I feel about big commercial titles now...I'm probably missing out on some stuff but I doubt it's much to get upset about. In the past I'd buy a game just for an instant shiny graphics fix that would soon fade...not any more.

Shit...I sound like an old fogey :roll:

Re: We come in Peace

Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:13 pm
by Xocrates
martinmir wrote:If you believe Introversion games to be commercial then what do you call merging Sonic and Mario to form a game based around the Olympics for the console Nintendo Wii.


Define commercial!

Really, that's the basic issue here.

If by commercial you mean stuff that can be bought and sold, then IV games are commercial.

If by commercial you mean something designed from the start with the sole intent of profit, then IV is not particularly commercial, while that obvious attempt at milking the consumer for his/her hard won cash by associating three (!) well known and loved (at least at one point) entities/events is.

Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:48 pm
by Byron
How about 'commercial' games are games that attempt to appeal to a mass-market audience or at least what a publisher defines as a mass-market audience.

Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:54 pm
by Rkiver
Sort of like EA Sport Game 2009 Version 6billion?

I dislike those games intently.

I like games that are different and try something new.

I also like random shooty sploder and RTS mania.

Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:57 pm
by ynbniar
Byron wrote:How about 'commercial' games are games that attempt to appeal to a mass-market audience or at least what a publisher defines as a mass-market audience.


Can we turn it around a bit...who do you, IV, want to sell your games to :?:

Is there a person or demographic out there who you don't want to be buying your games :?:

There are about 19million XBOX 360's out there...is that a mass-market :?:

EDIT
Sorry just re-read this and all those :?: look a bit confrontational...I'm just interested... :wink:

Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:21 pm
by Byron
Rkiver wrote:Sort of like EA Sport Game 2009 Version 6billion?

I dislike those games intently.

I like games that are different and try something new.

I also like random shooty sploder and RTS mania.



:roll:

Umm.. in a previous life I *ahem*... gulp.... did a bit of work on NHL 2005 and FIFA 2005 for EA.... it's okay though because I am off the medication now and the doctor says the psychotic incidents should diminish given time and lots of hugs - hugs I have to admit Leander is unwilling to administer!

Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:29 pm
by ewanm
martin wrote:says Icepick?

anyway, when did he say that?


In what is currently the multiwinia beta testers only forum.

Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:30 pm
by Byron
Byron wrote:
:roll:

Umm.. in a previous life I *ahem*... gulp.... did a bit of work on NHL 2005 and FIFA 2005 for EA.... it's okay though because I am off the medication now and the doctor says the psychotic incidents should diminish given time and lots of hugs - hugs I have to admit Leander is unwilling to administer!


Anyway - enough of me hi-jacking Martins blog :D

Martin is a great guy - he helped me to pull a fantastic prank on the IV people one lunch time that caused poor Vic to propel herself across the room in fright. Don't ask any questions about what the prank was cause I can't tell you - yet.

Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:34 pm
by Mas Tnega
"Blatant cash-ins" is so much shorter and more honest than "commercial games". Discuss.

Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:05 am
by Xocrates
Mas Tnega wrote:"Blatant cash-ins"


Ah, thanks, that was the term I was looking for!


Anyway, I don't really have anything against commercial/mainstream/unoriginal games as long as they're well done, but I feel originality can compensate a lot of flaws and although I'll admit on willingly falling for blantant cash-ins on occasion, since I'm usually vastly unimpressed with most stuff coming out (although I admit that I currently have an exceptionaly long list) even if I buy more commercial games than indie games a year, I usually paid more for the indies.

Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:11 am
by xander
Byron wrote:
Rkiver wrote:Sort of like EA Sport Game 2009 Version 6billion?

I dislike those games intently.

I like games that are different and try something new.

I also like random shooty sploder and RTS mania.



:roll:

Umm.. in a previous life I *ahem*... gulp.... did a bit of work on NHL 2005 and FIFA 2005 for EA.... it's okay though because I am off the medication now and the doctor says the psychotic incidents should diminish given time and lots of hugs - hugs I have to admit Leander is unwilling to administer!

/me gets Byron a straight-jacket, so that he can hug himself all day long!

xander

Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:33 am
by shinygerbil
Welcome Mr. Spacestation Man ;) Looks like you'll fit right in here. :lol:

And for the record, I agree with ynbniar - there's got to be something special about a game, some kind of hook, to really draw me in. I don't necessarily mean a "USP" like all these identical FPS games which are churned out by the dozen, such as "OMG you can throw two grenades at once!! UNIQUE!!! BUY THIS!!!!!" but something really special to draw me in and, well, make me happy.

Everyday Shooter is a good example, the music is really neat, and makes me smile and want to play more. I've just finished playing the Phoenix Wright series, as I've discussed elsewhere in the forums, and the characters and dialogue (awful grammar/spelling aside) were so charming and witty that I enjoyed every moment, even when the game logic completely threw me and I had to go hunt through a FAQ. I'm currently playing The World Ends With You, which is a surprisingly fantastic DS RPG with some incredible art and music, and a many neat gameplay ideas. Surprising because it's made by the Kingdom Hearts team ;)

I guess, having played games since I was old enough not to lose my grip on a joystick (no seriously, I think I was playing Pac-Man at some ridiculous age like 4), I too am an old fogey when it comes to games. I've seen it all before, so I crave something new and unique.

...and of course, Introversion have provided unique games in the past, and will continue to do so for many years to come :)

Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:12 am
by zach
Oh bloody hell, I go away for a day and come back to a three-page blog topic/reply session. tl;dr

Welcome, welcome Mr. Martin ... Hope, is it?

I'll follow up with more insight later ... perhaps.

Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:21 am
by jelco
shinygerbil wrote:a surprisingly fantastic DS RPG with some incredible art and music, and a many neat gameplay ideas. Surprising because it's made by the Kingdom Hearts team ;)


Hey! KH is practically the only reason I regret not ever having bought a Playstation. It's an awesome game!

Jelco

Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:03 pm
by vanarbulax
jelco the galactaboy wrote:Hey! KH is practically the only reason I regret not ever having bought a Playstation. It's an awesome game!

Jelco


*slaps Jelco* practically the only reason for not getting a PS2! Forgetting Ico ans Shadow of the Colossus are we, or do they just go without saying?