War? [China vs Japan]

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Postby Forever Young » Fri Oct 26, 2012 10:56 am

Lewis wrote:
The Mighty Santa wrote:

1. China definitely does not have the logistical ability to invade China, US Navy in the way or no.

oops! maybe he mean Taiwan?

Japan sees new Chinese actions near disputed isles
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Postby The Mighty Santa » Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:53 pm

China cannot take either Taiwan or Japan. Think of it as Nazi Germany vs UK. Sealion, the invasion of Britain, would never have worked. Logistics is the key, my friend.
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Postby Laika » Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:19 pm

"Sealion" has failed because Germany couldn't establish uncontested aerial control (source: "The WWII", W.S. Churchill). Now, China has considerable advantage in quantity of fighters, and not so big advantage in navy over Japan (source:wiki). I believe it is not merely possible, but quite likely.
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Postby The Mighty Santa » Sun Oct 28, 2012 2:08 am

But you forget the US navy in the way- and the catastrophic economic depression which would soon follow for China and the US. And guess what? The US can fight through a depression, and China cannot. Also, like I said, logistics. China can't send more than 30-40,000 troops at a time, which can easily be defeated by combined US-Japanese forces. And most of the transports would be sunk en route anyways. And once the troops actually get there, supplying them becomes a bitch. Air and naval superiority of both the USN and the USAF will block any supply efforts, and from then on, it's game over for China.
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Postby christopher1006 » Tue Dec 25, 2012 3:03 am

The problem is you're talking about the current forces of China, realistically they would purchase enough transports and defensive weaponary to move troops over that distance. You don't simply declare war and launch an all out attack, it takes time and preparation to pull it off correctly.
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Postby Raventhorne » Thu Dec 27, 2012 10:52 am

China definitely has the means to over take Taiwan if it weren't for the US, but Japan I'm not sure sure about... The US won't give up Japan nearly as easily as Taiwan.
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Postby Forever Young » Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:53 am

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Postby flatstuff » Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:36 pm

Fox news and rocket news arent really the best places to get impartial news which tell you the facts. The only possible war scenario I can see between China and Japan (possibly the USA) is extremely limited. China has a no first use policy with their nukes but they probably also have a certain point when they decide to use them such as bombing major cities or if their secondary strike capability is threatened. If the war does go nuclear a few specks of an island in the middle of the china sea really don't matter much. In terms of logistics modern warfare is mostly fought with rockets and planes instead of a huge ground invasion as some people suggested and if the US doesn't step into the conflict Japan would lose the war very fast (think China losing 2 million soldiers and not caring at all). But the main point is imagine 1.3 billion people who are pissed off at you (kind of like the muslims except more organised, more hatred and more integrated in our society). We're not gonna have a good time even if we 'win'.
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Postby Forever Young » Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:18 pm

yeah, i know that these sources are not the best but it looks like that Japan and China are already in a censorship mode and that is why i decided to post that report.
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Postby Siсiliаn Ноundd » Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:59 pm

Jordy... wrote:China needs dollars? Are you for real? The word dollar holds no value at all, it's the trustworthiness of the promise a dollar makes or any other currency for that matter. China will do just fine with anything else but the dollar.


I might get shot down for this, but look it up. China makes more money off of US bonds then there trade with us. Where do you think the US gets it money from?(yes i know from other places but) and where do you think china gets its "upcoming" wealth (not much but still) There is more behind the curtain then you think. The US trades "loans" to china, china gives US money, then US gives like 20% more back then what china gave. end of story......

I think i worded it right?
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Postby 111none » Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:32 am

The Mighty Santa wrote:
Jordy... wrote:Doesn't look promising for Taiwan then, at some point in the near future Chinese military capabilities will be substantial enough that US won't risk an all-out war for it and just let them take it.


You do realize that that will never happen because China needs US Dollars from trade to keep its economy upright. They need our dollars more than we need their cheap plastic toys.

and you need almost everything we produce xD
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Postby Ace Rimmer » Fri Mar 08, 2013 7:45 pm

This seemed like a better place than the other war thread...

Time wrote:In recent days North Korea has said it will drop its recognition of the armistice that ended hostilities in the 1950-53 Korean War and threatened to carry out a preemptive nuclear strike against U.S. “aggressors.” On Friday North Korea warned it was pulling out of all non-aggression pacts with the South. Pyongyang has said it might ignore the 1953 cease-fire several times before, but the nuclear threat is a new level of escalation. While North Korea doesn’t possess the sort of reliable long-range missiles or miniaturized nuclear devices that would allow it to hit the U.S., its capabilities are improving, as shown by its successful satellite launch in December.
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Postby DTNC Vicious » Fri Mar 08, 2013 7:59 pm

Ace Rimmer wrote:This seemed like a better place than the other war thread...

Time wrote:In recent days North Korea has said it will drop its recognition of the armistice that ended hostilities in the 1950-53 Korean War and threatened to carry out a preemptive nuclear strike against U.S. “aggressors.” On Friday North Korea warned it was pulling out of all non-aggression pacts with the South. Pyongyang has said it might ignore the 1953 cease-fire several times before, but the nuclear threat is a new level of escalation. While North Korea doesn’t possess the sort of reliable long-range missiles or miniaturized nuclear devices that would allow it to hit the U.S., its capabilities are improving, as shown by its successful satellite launch in December.


I thought the satellite launch in December was a fail? Maybe by US standards...but i guess if the North Koreans get something past two miles into the atmosphere they consider it successful. Honestly, if NK tried something..... their nuclear launching sites would be destroyed before they could send the birds off.
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