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Subversion City Generator

Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 10:35 pm
by Adarael
...Soooo, I'm a little late to the party finding out about the Subversion City Generator. It looks awesome, though! Unfortunately, Humblebundle.com long since stopped selling the Humble Introversion Bundle, so it seems like I'm outa luck. And since that makes me sad, I wanted to inquire with the forums: is there anywhere I can purchase the Subversion City Generator separately from the Humble Introversion Bundle?

Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 10:46 pm
by Xocrates
None that we know of.

Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 10:47 pm
by TheGranaryBytes
It was a one time only thing I believe. Some googling will probably find you a torrent or something.

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:00 am
by thedarkknightrises
TheGranaryBytes wrote:It was a one time only thing I believe. Some googling will probably find you a torrent or something.


Or make a request on a warez bulletin board or something.

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:02 am
by TheGranaryBytes
thedarkknightrises wrote:
TheGranaryBytes wrote:It was a one time only thing I believe. Some googling will probably find you a torrent or something.


Or make a request on a warez bulletin board or something.


Or I can just send it to him. Whatever.

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 4:58 pm
by jelco
Or I could just decide to ban people for suggesting, encouraging and openly engaging in software piracy. Whatever.

Jelco

Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:19 am
by thedarkknightrises
jelco wrote:Or I could just decide to ban people for suggesting, encouraging and openly engaging in software piracy. Whatever.

Jelco


To be honest, I was not that impressed with the City Generator. Something like this was done back in 1996: http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=2940

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:39 pm
by TheGranaryBytes
jelco wrote:Or I could just decide to ban people for suggesting, encouraging and openly engaging in software piracy. Whatever.

Jelco


No rules have been broken. Go ahead, get above your station and be a douche.

Even if I were to send him one of my HIB pages, I would be breaking no laws or rules.

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:00 am
by Xocrates
TheGranaryBytes wrote:No rules have been broken. Go ahead, get above your station and be a douche.

It amuses me greatly that you believe a mod doing his job is getting "above his station" and then call him a douche while you're the one acting the douchiest.

Also: it's not up to you to decide whether the rules were broken or not.

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:32 am
by thedarkknightrises
TheGranaryBytes wrote:
jelco wrote:Or I could just decide to ban people for suggesting, encouraging and openly engaging in software piracy. Whatever.

Jelco


No rules have been broken. Go ahead, get above your station and be a douche.

Even if I were to send him one of my HIB pages, I would be breaking no laws or rules.


Indeed, the "Introversion - Registration Agreement Terms" have no stipulations on piracy. Nor is self-proclaimed intention to engage in piracy sufficient to satisfy or equate to the actual act of piracy itself. By that fallacious logic, an individual posting on an internet forum claiming or suggesting that he has intentions to steal a car (for example) would be found guilty of grand theft auto by the public suggestion alone? That is of course ludicrous and absurd. TheGranaryBytes is correct in stating that no rules have been broken. Even if he were to send someone a link containing pirated material, that act itself (the act of sending a link) would not be illegal on his part.

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:57 am
by Xocrates
A few points:

1) The "Introversion - Registration Agreement Terms" isn't worth the (virtual) paper its written on. Furthermore, those are guidelines, not rules, and indeed people have been banned for reasons not posted there (notoriously, for spamming) as well as been allowed to stay despite doing stuff mentioned there.

2) as such, you can be banned for any behaviour the admins find objectionable. This is an internet forum, not a democratically run society, you're at the behest of those running the place and as such all you can hope for is for them to be benevolent. You have no rights here.

3) jelco made a warning, nothing more, you can contest his reasons, but don't try to pretend you're doing so under the coverage of imaginary rules.

4) as above, this is an internet forum, not a democratically run society, those running it CAN punish you for doing stuff that wouldn't fly on a court of law. You won't be accused of grand theft auto for suggesting to steal a car, but you can damn well be banned.

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:08 am
by Mas Tnega
Until Introversion re-release it, the administrators are right to presume alternative means of acquiring it shouldn't be shared on the Introversion forums, owned and run by Introversion. To allow it could be contrary to introversion's interests.

To wit, take your rules lawyering and shove it.

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:53 am
by thedarkknightrises
Mas Tnega wrote:Until Introversion re-release it, the administrators are right to presume alternative means of acquiring it shouldn't be shared on the Introversion forums, owned and run by Introversion. To allow it could be contrary to introversion's interests.

To wit, take your rules lawyering and shove it.



Why wasn't City Generator part of the new - and in my opinion - not so Humble Bundle?

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 9:59 am
by bert_the_turtle
Because that only contains Uplink, and because the generator is not available for Android.

And yeah. In my reading, there are implied rules, aka "What where you thinking???!???" , that can get you banned. Explicitly promoting and enabling piracy on the company's own forums would fall under that.
(Now, I am aware that the CG is not available for legal purchase anywhere (though you can try and get a used copy), and that is one of the conditions under which piracy is deemed excusable by many. Still, discussing it in public is simply stupid.)

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:03 am
by Mas Tnega
Honestly? I think it was just supposed to be there for the Prison Architect hype. Just like the voxel thing was.