Phelanpt's Tale of Wolves and Gents: Game Over

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Postby Ace Rimmer » Mon Jun 08, 2009 9:51 pm

Lol, I was just about to post that.

Yes, he did contact you, but I don't see anywhere he confirmed you're claim to be seer.

Edit: After some private conversations, Vote: RabidZombie (retracted). Definitely.

Edit2: Going with my previous post, our only options are:

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Option A. 2 Werewolves, 1 Traitor, 1 Guardian Angel, 6 Villagers
Option B. 1 Werewolves, 1 Werewolf Roleblocker, 1 Traitor, 1 Seer, 1 Guardian Angel, 5 Villagers


Odds are it's Option A, which means no Seer. RabidZombie claims to be the Seer, but we probably don't even have one. We do have a traitor, and bert "claiming" to be one would fit in with trying to fool a wolf into outing himself. RabidZombie has done a pretty good job of faking not knowing how many wolves there should be (fact, only Two at the start). I suspect xander or bert as a traitor, but we don't have to kill the traitor, only the last wolf. If we kill RabidZombie and he's human and I die, go for

1. Bert
2. Pox
3. Marvin
4. xander

in whatever order seems best.
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Postby RabidZombie » Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:08 pm

Sigh. I never claimed I was a seer to him. Why the hell would I? He told me he was a traitor, thinking I was a wolf. He was incorrect.

Please, at least get your facts straight.

Oh, and if you lot all do lynch me, vote Pox, THEN Ace, because if there is a 3rd wolf, it's probably him.
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Postby Ace Rimmer » Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:09 pm

Hehe, if Pox is truly a wolf, humans win after killing Pox. Thus, no need to kill me. You yourself claimed Pox is the last wolf. Why then ask to kill me?
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Postby RabidZombie » Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:44 pm

Ace Rimmer wrote:Hehe, if Pox is truly a wolf, humans win after killing Pox. Thus, no need to kill me. You yourself claimed Pox is the last wolf. Why then ask to kill me?


Because 1) I can't be sure there are only 2 wolves. 2) You're trying to kill ME today. Thus, game clearly isn't going to end today.
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Postby Ace Rimmer » Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:53 pm

RabidZombie wrote:
Ace Rimmer wrote:Hehe, if Pox is truly a wolf, humans win after killing Pox. Thus, no need to kill me. You yourself claimed Pox is the last wolf. Why then ask to kill me?


Because 1) I can't be sure there are only 2 wolves. 2) You're trying to kill ME today. Thus, game clearly isn't going to end today.

What do you mean you can't be sure there are two wolves?

Let me make it simple:

  1. Two night's without kills = GA, or I suppose really really really evil wolves wanting to play with their food (unlikely), or really really really dumb ones. Let's go with GA. :wink:
  2. Read the village bylaws.
    1. X =1
    2. Y =5
  3. With Ten villagers (one being a GA), there are only *two possible scenarios.
    1. Both possibilities call for two wolves.
  4. Two wolves minus one confirmed wolf kill (ynbniar) = 1 more wolf.


You said it's Pox. If Pox is the last wolf, everybody else is human, including me. Now, there's a traitor somewhere, but in order to win we go straight for the wolf. :wink:

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* X Werewolves, 1 Werewolf Roleblocker, 1 Traitor, 1 Seer, 1 Guardian Angel, Y Villagers
* X Werewolves, 1 Werewolf Roleblocker, 1 Traitor, Y+2 Villagers
* X+1 Werewolves, 1 Traitor, 1 Seer, Y+1 Villagers
* X+1 Werewolves, 1 Traitor, 1 Guardian Angel, Y+1 Villagers


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* 1 Werewolves, 1 Werewolf Roleblocker, 1 Traitor, 1 Seer, 1 Guardian Angel, 5 Villagers =10 <-- Two Wolves
* 1 Werewolves, 1 Werewolf Roleblocker, 1 Traitor, 5+2 Villagers =10  <--- No GA, invalid scenario
* 1+1 Werewolves, 1 Traitor, 1 Seer, 5+1 Villagers =10                <--- No GA, invalid scenario
* 1+1 Werewolves, 1 Traitor, 1 Guardian Angel, 5+1 Villagers =10 <-- Two Wolves
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Postby RabidZombie » Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:55 pm

Right, now you've spelt it out, I understand. Sorry. (And I managed to miss the X = 1 bit completely :S )

Thanks. And because of this, I can guarantee Pox is the last wolf.
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Postby Ace Rimmer » Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:01 pm

RabidZombie wrote:Right, now you've spelt it out, I understand. Sorry. (And I managed to miss the X = 1 bit completely D:)

Thanks. And because of this, I can guarantee Pox is the last wolf.

Lol, I'll use your own words against you. You just confirmed you agree there is only one more wolf (and there is) and you say it's Pox. ..... I'm therefore a confirmed human.

So, as a confirmed human, teehee...

We can't be certain you're the Seer as you have no proof and no supporters. If you were the Seer for two nights, somebody would be able to back up your story, even bert as a traitor, who "wins" either way (assuming he really is a traitor).

It makes much more sense in the context of everything (public and private) that you're the last wolf trying to kill off a silent villager.

1. You're a wolf claiming to be a Seer to get out of losing. (I'm human)
2. Your a Seer with no proof, however slight. (I'm human)

If we kill you and the nightmare isn't over, then the rest of you can look hard at the list I posted earlier.
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Postby RabidZombie » Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:09 pm

Oh Jesus Christ. How about we all vote Pox, and if the game hasn't ended, you can hang me? It'll end the game faster, and guess what, it makes more sense. Why would I have any proof? Why would there be anyone to back up my theory? You're not making any sense now. I certainly wouldn't let Bert find out, and I haven't been able to find anyone I can trust.
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Postby bert_the_turtle » Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:47 pm

Heh :) It is, of course, true that I was still communicating with RabidZombie. A mixture of truth and lies to confuse the enemy. There are two reasons why I didn't vote for him: a) as I told someone privately already, I wanted to keep him as a 'wildcard' in case I or my human allies get in trouble, someone to easily vote off later. Cruel, maybe, but it may have saved someone I may have known to be human the life. And b) It appears I myself was target of the first night wolf attack. While RZ looked quite guilty on the first day, that attack made me reconsider. What would have happened had it succeeded? Right, RZ would have been lynched right away, making it a suicide eating. So I had strongly conflicting info about him, best way to deal with those is the sneaky PM way. I knew there was still time to decide, and if he had reacted to my lure, I'd have put him up for lynching right away.

I can understand quite well why he wouldn't want to inform me about his identity if he truly is the Seer. I would have done the same.

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Vote: Pox

right now. There's just one wolf left (plus traitor), so we have at least one more lynching; if he lies, we have time to lynch him next.

Although, what if RZ himself is the traitor and wants to give his (unknown) wolf partner more time? If that is the case and we follow RZ, the game will go down to four players in two days, something a lone wolf can almost always win. We could eliminate that possibility by lynching RZ first. If he tells the truth, we still win. Apart from this possibility, it's quite unimportant who the traitor really is.

Pox, maybe you wish to defend yourself or give up right now?
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Postby Phelanpt » Tue Jun 09, 2009 12:02 am

Votecount:
RabidZombie (2): Ace Rimmer, zjoere
Pox (3): bert_the_turtle, xander, RabidZombie

Not voting (3): jelco, MarvintheParanoidAndroid, Pox
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Postby Ace Rimmer » Tue Jun 09, 2009 12:22 am

Didn't bert unvote?

Edit: read that wrong.
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Postby Pox » Tue Jun 09, 2009 1:08 am

Whoa, lots of activity while I was asleep.

I know that I'm definitely a villager, and thus RZ is a wolf or the traitor; but obviously I can't prove that to you by posting a role PM. All you have against me here is the word of a "seer", one who has been under a fair amount of suspicion for a while.

Vote: RabidZombie
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Postby MarvintheParanoidAndroid » Tue Jun 09, 2009 2:03 am

Indeed, Vote: Pox seems to work out, either way.
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Postby Ace Rimmer » Tue Jun 09, 2009 2:31 pm

Well, I suppose the only thing that could be wrong with killing Pox if he's not the wolf is somebody else is gonna die (unless the GA can go for a miracle three for three).

Edit: Also, if you're wrong and I'm right, we just missed out on a chance at a perfect Human de-wolfing. :P
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Postby bert_the_turtle » Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:02 pm

Yeah :) If I understand things right, we'd find some werewolf porn in the traitor's home, so I think Vicious was a regular human. Furthermore, I don't think RZ can be the last wolf. I mean, how stupid would that be? He'd essentially be committing delayed suicide here.

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