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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:52 pm
by bert_the_turtle
Well, flame me, but I chuckled.

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:46 pm
by Feud
Heh, drill baby drill, awesome.

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:50 pm
by Rkiver
Shock horror, a US republican makes a complete idiot of themselves...

Since when has that been news in all honesty? Republican politicians constantly make fuck ups that amuse the rest of the planet. It's almost like it's their signature role, ignorance, stupidity, and lashings of unwitting humour.

I just feel sorry for whom they supposedly represent. They cannot all be that bloody idiotic, can they?

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:06 pm
by Feud
Well, it's either vote for them or vote for the other party who:

Have no clue what is actually in the legislation they wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rGpykAX1fo

Make up stories about sniper fire:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BfNqhV5hg4

And who can't remember who is running for what office:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RElChQ6g2Io

Or we could just realize that both sides do embarrassing things. Some are honest mistakes, some are bald face idiocy. Such things and people know neither borders nor ideology, every country and group has them.

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:12 pm
by Rkiver
Ain't that just the truth.

Honestly though, I rather trust a democrat in the US then a republican. Something about believing a book litterally with no proof just scares me.

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:14 pm
by Xarlaxas
Indeed, and seeing as even Colin Powell is supporting Obama now I am feeling even more vindicated in my choice.

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:19 pm
by Feud
You do realize that Obama and Biden both claim to believe that book, as well as the sizable majority of Democrats holding office, right?

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:24 pm
by Xarlaxas
I know that, though he (Obama) was raised by a mother who treated religion the way an anthropologist treats an ancient culture's belief systems, and so wasn't raised in the same sort of way that Palin was with the more "Jesus-camp" style Christians, who are truly terrifying.

Also, I have nothing against Christians, I find religion interesting though I don't follow any, I think that saying that because someone is a Christian/Muslim/Jew/whatever is a reason that they are a bad candidate for leader is wrong, it's only when they are a fanatical follower of their belief system that it's bad.

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:41 pm
by Silverwing
Palin's belief's on how rape victims should be forced to carry the child if they get pregnant etc makes her the scariest woman on earth to me!
Makes me kinda glad I'm not American, even the threat of her possibly ruling the country would have me wetting my pants.

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:42 pm
by Xarlaxas
Well, I'm lucky to be a Scottish born American not even living in America, so I get my say from a safe distance!

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:43 pm
by Stewsburntmonkey
Feud wrote:Well, it's either vote for them or vote for the other party who:

Have no clue what is actually in the legislation they wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rGpykAX1fo

Make up stories about sniper fire:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BfNqhV5hg4

And who can't remember who is running for what office:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RElChQ6g2Io

Or we could just realize that both sides do embarrassing things. Some are honest mistakes, some are bald face idiocy. Such things and people know neither borders nor ideology, every country and group has them.


Well two of those are stupid "gotchas" so I'm not sure they serve any purpose other to expose what the priorities of Fox news are. The sniper thing is an actual issue and is one of the reasons you aren't seeing Hillary's name on the November ballot. John McCain actually has a similar, though even more serious, problem in his talk about how safe it is in Iraq and how he was able to walk around an Iraqi market without issue (even though he had to wear a bullet proof jacket, which he has forgotten about, and had 100 US soldiers and several black hawks as protection). Likewise, when he has to be repeatedly reminded of the difference between Sunni and Shite when his main claim is that he is ready from day one is pretty insane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c&feature=user

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:54 pm
by Silverwing
McCain's hypocrisy is also terrifying. I guess the rest of the world can only hope that American's make the right choice, I know Obama isn't perfect but jeez, even McCain's solution to the Credit Crisis was off the wall.

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:54 pm
by Feud
I don't think the first one is a "gotcha", it seems like if a member of Congress is going to introduce legislation banning a heretofore legal product that they should not just have a good reason to make it illegal, but at the very least know what it actually is.

My point is that both sides do dumb stuff. I laughed at the Palin thing because it's funny, I laugh at these because they are funny.

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:21 pm
by Stewsburntmonkey
Feud wrote:I don't think the first one is a "gotcha", it seems like if a member of Congress is going to introduce legislation banning a heretofore legal product that they should not just have a good reason to make it illegal, but at the very least know what it actually is.


Perhaps, but Congress has to legislate virtually every aspect of the US economy and society. They have to deal with medical issues, foreign policy, social issues, legal issues, technology issues, etc. It is unreasonable to expect a Congressperson to recall the precise definition of every technical term used in every bill they support. Most bills are written by teams of people which include technical experts in the field in question and lawyers. Between the technical terms and the legal language the simple idea that the Congressperson has can get into the bill in language they don't recognize. In the end most bills don't even get read in their final state by most of the people who vote on them. The members of Congress often just read the summaries their aids put together which distill the bill back into comprehensible language and reduce the hundreds of pages into a more manageable document. Certainly it is easy to see flaws in this system, but when dealing with such numbers of issues of such complexity this sort of simplification is generally unavoidable.

Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:40 pm
by TheRileyDuo
You have to admit though, at least the presidency is being given to either the best public speaker since JFK, or to a man who took bullets and torture for America. Both of them are great Americans, dispite the directions that their campaign have taken.