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What is your opinion of drugs?

I've had quite a few experiences
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24%
Tried once or a few times.
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I'd give it a shot.
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Never liked it.
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Drugs are the spawn of SATAN. I don't even drink caffeine!
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I'm an addict
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Postby rus|Mike » Tue May 27, 2008 4:00 pm

Droodster wrote:To even compare heroin, thc and alkohol is just plain stupid.

Droodster wrote:just because both heroin and thc are classed as "narkotiks" doesnt make them the same.

So comparing is stupid but you do it. According to your own statement you're stupid. Agreed.

Droodster wrote:After reading your posts i can only come to the conclusion that you are one of those kids that
base your opinions on what you have heard from your parents and possibly from the anti-drug
lessons you get in school.

a) I'm not a kid.
b) I finished my school years ago.
c) We never had anti-drug lessons in school or University.
d) I almost never talked about drugs with my parents.
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Postby snwcrsh » Tue May 27, 2008 4:30 pm

As for a seious post: I do think that drugs should be legalized. All of them. That includes Heroin.

Obviously they shouldn't it handing out in supermarkets but in pharmacies. I am fairly sure this would lead to *less* drug deaths (always good and same quality) and also less addcits. Also, it would be a killer for the national income (taxes).

Won't happen of course.
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Postby Rkiver » Tue May 27, 2008 5:15 pm

Was perhaps the customs officer partaking of said "lost" substance? :P
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Postby jelco » Tue May 27, 2008 5:39 pm

As I've said a few times before on here, I consider myself straight edge. In summary, this means that I abstain from alcohol, smoking and recreational drugs. I'm not one of those hardcore (punny, yes it is) people who consider being vegetarian or even vegan a part of straight edge as well. I don't abstain from caffeine as well, but I find coffee disgusting (sue me) so practically I do anyways - although Cokes are tasty. :P Last thing that is often associated with straight edge is no promiscuity, but I'm only 16 so I hope that answers your questions regarding the subject. :wink:

The reason for my mindset is a series of bad and close experiences with people on alcohol, and I don't think anyone I know deserves the experiences I have had with it (they're not by any means some of those extreme things that are featured on the news sometimes, but still). Also, I've tasted it a couple of times, but I don't find it particularly tasty. There are less pros than cons to drinking alcohol instead of anything else, so to speak. As for drugs, I have only ever seen people on drugs once or maybe twice, and what I could tell at those moments is that for a while it's safe, and afters that things get uneasy.

All in all, I'm not in favour of anything of that kind. I do however think that legalization would solve a lot.

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Postby tllotpfkamvpe » Tue May 27, 2008 7:35 pm

LEGALIZE! :roll: :mrgreen:

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Postby sfericz » Tue May 27, 2008 9:29 pm

Droodster wrote:rus|Mike

You are generalizing. To even compare heroin, thc and alkohol is just plain stupid.
just because both heroin and thc are classed as "narkotiks" doesnt make them the same.


Its not stupid, hes opinon is well respected and should be heard.

After reading your posts i can only come to the conclusion that you are one of those kids that
base your opinions on what you have heard from your parents and possibly from the anti-drug
lessons you get in school.


If he is a 'kid' then hes the only one i've even met that has more insight than I.


Are you saying what parents teach their kids is wronG?


[Edit] Nice new Avatar MVPE :D[/Edit]
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Postby Darksun » Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:02 pm

Reading this thread has made me want a joint :P

I'm not going to bother getting into the debate really at this point, my views are more or less in line with xander's. A little of my experience though. I use drugs quite frequently, usually drink a couple of times a week, smoke weed a couple of times a month, use ecstasy every couple of months, and I've taken cocaine and a handful of other drugs on occasion. I like to think of myself as fairly responsible in my use, for the most part I don't go to extremes, I avoid it when I have work or anything important to be concentrating on instead. And you know what? I have a really good time - some people don't actually seem to understand that drug use is enjoyable, that's why people do it. And just because you use drugs doesn't mean you automatically turn into a junkie. For me, drugs are a hobby, I can live without them, I can enjoy myself without them, I just choose to use them.
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Postby martin » Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:52 am

Rkiver wrote:I follow the Bill Hicks mentality.

If people want to take drugs in the privacy of their own home, and as long as it does not adversly affect others, it's fine.

If we are going to ban drugs, we should ban all of them. Alcohol, tobacco, caffeine included. That being said I do not agree with heroin and the like, but that is just a personal dislike of it.


I have to agree with you there.

I've never had any drugs experience beyond caffeine, to which I am an addict - although not to the extent that I couldn't stop drinking tea if I really wanted (and I think that, as vices go, caffeine ranks fairly low :P )

Also, just skim reading the thread, xander mentioned about smokers being relegated to outside, in the UK smokers cannot smoke indoors in a public place - so what're the laws in other countries?
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Postby jelco » Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:55 am

Well, as per July 1st smoking will be banned from all pubs, cafes and restaurants in Holland. Not sure if there are any other real limitations as to where you're allowed to smoke.

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Postby dunetrooper » Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:54 am

Just recently here and where I used to live in Salt Lake City, they have done the same thing, ban smoking from bars and public restaraunts as well as public areas like parks where kids play.

As far as the drug subject, I have never touched the drugs side of the chart, (i.e. marijuana, cocain, etc.) but I do drink, at least I did before my wife got pregnant. It wasn't daily or weekly or even monthly, it was a special thing that happened rarely and was never planned, so I never got hooked and I only once got to the point that I don't remember the previous night.

I turned 21 in april and it is legal for me to buy alcohol but I haven't, I work too much and never have time to, hence the special occasion. When my wife got pregnant I told her not until she could again and since she's breast feeding it's been longer then the normal 9 months but I haven't ever had the urge to have a beer.

I tried a cigarrette once and I about vomited, never will again, I was brought up to shy away from drugs but from these experiences it's your body do with it what you will. I say that for the lesser of the drugs. I knew a few potheads in high school, they were ok kids, weren't the brightest in the class but they did good, there were a few though that always came in high and left halfway when it wore off. That I don't like. If you want to smoke pot, more power to you, but don't do it where it can affect others, on your personal time.

You want to drink? Just like others have said, do it in moderation and don't be an ass, you know how it affects you more than anyone, you know you're going to get angry and want to fight? You shouldn't be in the bar. These drugs (alcohol, cigarretts, and mary-jane) are only as bad as the people who use them. You do it every once in a while it's not a bad drug, you do it daily and to the point you're wasted/flying/whatever they're a bad thing and should be banned.

The others, cocain heroin meth, and whatever else, should disappear, I live in rock springs wy now and it's a cocain infested town, you can spot an addict from a mile away and it's disgusting. I don't like knowing my son sees them too which is why we're moving soon, but these should have the ban, no matter how much you moderate them they will get addicted and find a way around the rules and laws so it would be pointless to try.

That's just my opinion do with it what you will.

Edit - oh and by the way, I lost a grandma recently to the cancers caused from her smoking half her life, it might not affect you like alcohol or pot, but it'll kill you too.
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Postby Phelanpt » Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:44 pm

martin wrote:Also, just skim reading the thread, xander mentioned about smokers being relegated to outside, in the UK smokers cannot smoke indoors in a public place - so what're the laws in other countries?


In Portugal, smoking was banned from all closed public places, except in spaces with special ventilation, starting from January 1st of this year. At least, that is what I understood of this new law.
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Postby xander » Tue Jun 10, 2008 4:28 pm

martin wrote:...although not to the extent that I couldn't stop drinking tea if I really wanted...

I suggest you try it. If you really are addicted, it won't be nearly as easy to give up as you think. When I gave up coffee, I suffered through two weeks of near-migraine strength headaches, low energy, muscle aches, &c. And the worst part was that no amount of Tylenol or Aspirin would help -- Excedrin helped, but Excedrin contains caffeine, so there is little wonder that it helped.

Seriously -- go cold turkey for a couple of weeks, and see what happens. Personally, I am of the opinion that anyone who does any drug ought to go cold turkey a couple of times a year, just to make sure that they can. If they can't, they ought to get some help. Of course, this assumes a level of responsibility that many people just can't get to...

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