Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:28 am
Well, if you're serious enough to go through with killing others as well as yourself, you'd probably want to find out reality and not rely on perception. Yes?
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Ace Rimmer wrote:Well, if you're serious enough to go through with killing others as well as yourself, you'd probably want to find out reality and not rely on perception. Yes?
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Ace Rimmer wrote:In truth, I think in the situation we're talking about,
Ace Rimmer wrote:...there was at least some amount of planning as he went to have a chat before he killed himself.
Ace Rimmer wrote:In this situation, I don't think it's at all out of line to suggest he would have had a reason and taken time himself to find out the best method of 'quick and painless', which was your assertion. Most likely, he was probably going for 'quick and easy'.
Ace Rimmer wrote:My rebuttal wasn't that a crazy person would think sanely. Crazy people do think with some amount of sanity all the time. In fact, who's to say he was crazy? That is, what defines a crazy person?
xander wrote:The planner may honestly believe that firearms are quick an painless---I mean, they certainly look that way on TV! You are projecting your superior knowledge onto a class of people who may not have that knowledge.
Raventhorne wrote:Trying to ban guns is a waste of time. Making them illegal wont stop criminals.. it's already illegal for them to have them, yet they do... so why ban us from protecting ourselves?
Foxsake wrote:You're much more likely to be a victim of a shooting if you're carrying a gun. (By about 4.5 times)
For me, that's a pretty good reason not to carry a gun.
Foxsake wrote:You're much more likely to be a victim of a shooting if you're carrying a gun. (By about 4.5 times)
xander wrote:That is the most vacuous logic that I have ever heard. First, there is no 100% effective way of stopping a motivated person from doing anything. However, making it more difficult to do something is going to weed out all but the very most motivated.
rus|Mike wrote:xander wrote:That is the most vacuous logic that I have ever heard. First, there is no 100% effective way of stopping a motivated person from doing anything. However, making it more difficult to do something is going to weed out all but the very most motivated.
Am I not understanding something? I was under impression that criminals use criminally obtained weapons anyway and ban of legal weapons is not going to affect them.
rus|Mike wrote:Myself being from the country where firearms are "banned", I can tell you that law-abiding citizens are the only ones affected by this ban. In fact, the statistics on gun violence seem to be so bad that they don't even release them. But if we apply UN data on average percentage of gun homicides in all homicides (60%) to an official number of murders in Russia (10.2 per 100k), we will get a figure (6.12 per 100k) that is actually twice as big as the US one (3.7 per 100k).
rus|Mike wrote:xander wrote:That is the most vacuous logic that I have ever heard. First, there is no 100% effective way of stopping a motivated person from doing anything. However, making it more difficult to do something is going to weed out all but the very most motivated.
Am I not understanding something? I was under impression that criminals use criminally obtained weapons anyway and ban of legal weapons is not going to affect them.
rus|Mike wrote:I would like to see guns most suited for self-defense (pistols, etc) being available to anyone who wishes to go through registration process and military-grade weapons (AK-47, etc) either banned or only available after strict background checks for people who can justify a need to own such weapon.
xander wrote:Most people would call for something between the ends. Personally, I would like to see registration of firearms, deeper background checks, bans on more powerful weapons (honestly---what do you need a AR15 for?), and a reduction in availability overall.