***FLASH TRAFFIC*** North Korea conducts nuclear test

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Postby NeoThermic » Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:50 pm

xander wrote:
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Stewsburntmonkey wrote:It is interesting that the South Koreans measured it at around a 3. That's an order of magnitude difference.

And isn't earthquake measurement logarithmic? (Don't hate me for being ignorant. Please?)

Yes, it is. That is what SBM means by "an order of magnitude." One order of magnitude is a fator of 10. Thus, 10 is an order of magnitude bigger than 1, and 100 is 2 orders of magnitude greater than 1. A 4 point earthquake is an order of magnitude (10 times) stronger than a 3 point earthquake.

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I'll attest to that. You can feal a 3, but it doesn't do much. A 4 is not only noticable by movement, but by sound. The highest I've been in was the Northridge Earthquake, which was a 6.7. You feel, hear and notice that. Big time.

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Postby Crusader Scott » Thu Oct 12, 2006 2:15 am

Looks like the experts can't even agree on what to disagree about:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/dprk/2006/dprk-061010-voa04.htm


This one is still up in the air (a misfire seems like a good guess if it was a nuke test).
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Postby Stewsburntmonkey » Thu Oct 12, 2006 2:31 am

NeoThermic wrote:I'll attest to that. You can feal a 3, but it doesn't do much. A 4 is not only noticable by movement, but by sound. The highest I've been in was the Northridge Earthquake, which was a 6.7. You feel, hear and notice that. Big time.

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Yeah, it does make you wonder at quakes like the 9.2 that hit Alaska in the 60's. That magnitude quake is something like 5,500 times more powerful than the Northridge quake.
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Postby Me300 » Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:03 pm

Well, being the military Korean linguist that I am, I can tell you that we're kinda worried about it here. We've stepped training way the hell up here. It sucks, but if it keeps us safe during a war, then I'm all for it. We're expecting the DPRK to do something else though.
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Postby Stewsburntmonkey » Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:06 pm

Me300 wrote:Well, being the military Korean linguist that I am, I can tell you that we're kinda worried about it here. We've stepped training way the hell up here. It sucks, but if it keeps us safe during a war, then I'm all for it. We're expecting the DPRK to do something else though.


I'm not sure training will protect you from a nuclear explosion. . . Unless the training involves running into really, really deep caves or something.
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Postby Me300 » Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:30 pm

We're not getting training so much on blast survival, cos there's nothing you can do, but we're getting a lot of MOPP training, and we're going to have to go one day next week in MOPP4 from 0630 to 1930, and we're doing all of our battle drills in MOPP4. So the point is fighting after the bomb has already dropped. The thing that worries me the most in a war isn't their nuclear capability so much as it is their SF units and An-2 transports.
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Postby Stewsburntmonkey » Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:38 pm

Training in MOPP4 can't be much fun. . . The part is when they take you into the gas chamber and halfway through make you take off your mask to reinforce that it is actually working.

Anyway I don't think there is much chance of North Korean aggression and the An-2 is a cool plane (it can fly backwards in a light breeze), but absolutely no match for a modern airforce (at least when it is in the air). I'm not sure it is much of a threat.
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Postby Me300 » Fri Oct 13, 2006 12:04 am

Actually, we're more scared of DPRKAF An-2s than we are of MiG-29s because they fly so low and slow that sometimes AWACS radar discriminators classify them as highway traffic, therefore preventing them from putting it on screen. And as far as the NBC training goes, we only have to qualify with our promasks once a year. All MOPP4 training is is that we go about our daily tasks wearing our full MOPP suits. Still not very much fun, although I love the CS Chamber. When I come out, my sinuses are always so clear and I can breathe wonderfully. Like I have fairly bad allergies, so my nose is usually a little stuffy and after we do promask confidince training, you wouldn't believe all the wonderful smells I can smell, it's quite invigorating. The worst part about the gas chamber isn't the effects it has on your throat, nose, and eyes (it didn't even bother my eyes at all, even in basic where our DS, who was a chemical weapons specialist, put in around 10 pellets when the Ft. Leonardwood standard was 5 pellets) so much as it is the constant burning sensation on your skin. I remember in a field exercise, we were defending our encampment against another company, and they popped a couple of CS grenades on our fall back path and that stuff came out so thick that you couldn't see 5 feet in front of you. We all kept running, and got our helmets off, masks out of carrier, pressed against face, cleared, sealed, and helmets back on in about 10 seconds, which is still too slow, but we were running as we did it, so that made up for it a little bit.
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Postby Garpu » Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:58 am

I was in the hector mine quake in California (6.1) and the Nisqually quake in Seattle (6.9). Honestly, I think the Californian quake was stronger feeling, but the Seattle one lasted longer. Waaaaaay longer. 50 seconds for an earthquake is a long time.

Come to think of it, I slept through the actual Hector Mine quake, too, and it was an aftershock and a roommate screaming that woke me up. I thought they were having loud sex (the banging, in my half-awake state), and I was going to go bang on their door when I felt the aftershock.

Personally I think I prefer T waves to S waves. S waves (the side to side kind) trip my seasicknes, while T waves are like going over speedbumps.
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Postby the_redstar_swl » Fri Oct 13, 2006 8:42 am

Me300 wrote:...The thing that worries me the most in a war isn't their nuclear capability so much as it is their SF units and An-2 transports.


This is a bit of a odd question: What are your orders if you capture any of their them? My uncle and grandfather where in the Danish Army and later the Homeguard during the cold war and they apparently had orders to kill any Spetsnaz/Spec Ops Soldiers they captured due to the problem of keeping them from escaping and causing trouble...
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Postby Me300 » Fri Oct 13, 2006 7:41 pm

the_redstar_swl wrote:
Me300 wrote:...The thing that worries me the most in a war isn't their nuclear capability so much as it is their SF units and An-2 transports.


This is a bit of a odd question: What are your orders if you capture any of their them? My uncle and grandfather where in the Danish Army and later the Homeguard during the cold war and they apparently had orders to kill any Spetsnaz/Spec Ops Soldiers they captured due to the problem of keeping them from escaping and causing trouble...


I'm not for sure what the orders are for that sort of situation, and I'm pretty sure that if I did, I wouldn't be able to tell you.
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