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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:51 pm
by NeatNit
Really though, all you created was a paradox. By declaring an integer interesting based only on how it's actually uninteresting, you took away the one thing that made it interesting. Since interesting-ness is not self-supporting, it jumps back to being uninteresting, hence the paradox.

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:37 pm
by Xocrates
Though one can note that there will be one or more numbers which possess the least amount of interest.

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:17 pm
by trickser
Xocrates wrote: the least amount of interest.

If there is a least amount of interest, then interest is a value, in contrast to being just a property. If it is a value, then you can sort by the value. If you can sort by value of interest and sort by the nominal value, then you are not talking about integers.

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:06 pm
by Xocrates
trickser wrote:then you are not talking about integers.

Why not? It's a property in the same sense that the number of digits of a number is a property of that number. Having a secondary numeric value associated to a number doesn't change the value of that number.

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:30 pm
by xander
NeatNit wrote:Really though, all you created was a paradox. By declaring an integer interesting based only on how it's actually uninteresting, you took away the one thing that made it interesting. Since interesting-ness is not self-supporting, it jumps back to being uninteresting, hence the paradox.

Proofs 101, NeatNit. I assumed that there were uninteresting numbers. If you make that assumption, you come to a contradiction (what you are calling a paradox). Since the assumption led to a contradiction, the assumption must have been wrong. The assumption was that there were uninteresting positive integers, hence I have shown that there are no uninteresting positive integers. The problem is not the structure of the proof. Rather, if you are going to claim that there is a problem, it will be in the formal definition of "interesting."

xander

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:54 pm
by trickser
Xocrates wrote:
trickser wrote:then you are not talking about integers.

Why not? It's a property in the same sense that the number of digits of a number is a property of that number. Having a secondary numeric value associated to a number doesn't change the value of that number.


The number of digits is a deduced property, it depends on the numbers (we talk about integers, right?) value and some arbitrary rule to express it. The introduced property of interest is independent of the numbers value. Thats a difference.

That will change the numbers from a one dimensional field to a tow dimensional field, when the definition of integers is probably something about 1 and its successors. But arguing with the definition seems cheap (and silly when you don't actually know it), but I suspect some change in capacity to be found.


lets say you have 1 with interest -1 and 2 with interest 2

so 1+1 is 2 but interest is -2, so 1+1!=2

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:21 am
by Xocrates
That's actually bullshit in more ways than one :P

Even assuming that the interest property is not independent per integer, we have not established how the + operator works in regards to interest. That your result is incorrect is enterily hipothetical.

Also:

The introduced property of interest is independent of the numbers value.

No it's not. Whatever interest the number has, will be directly or indirectly tied to their value.

For instances, 1 may be interesting partly because it's the lowest odd number, but you need to know its value to determine that.

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:20 am
by xander
trickser wrote:That will change the numbers from a one dimensional field to a tow dimensional field, when the definition of integers is probably something about 1 and its successors.

The integers, let alone the positive integers, do not form a field---the integers are not closed under multiplicative inverses (and the positive integers are not even closed under additive inverses).

xander

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:04 pm
by Ace Rimmer
So then, no positive integer is uninteresting?

Great. Moving on to more important subjects; aliens and bigfoot are real. See all the proof!

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:07 pm
by zjoere
There are robots on mars!

and bigfoot as well ofcourse but we've all known that for a long time.

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:19 pm
by jelco
I think the integer 180 is pretty cool. It is now officially my number of EC which means that shortly I can call myself BSc. :D

Jelco

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:39 pm
by NeatNit
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Still waiting for the next update...

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:09 pm
by tllotpfkamvpe
trickser wrote:That will change the numbers from a one dimensional field to a tow dimensional field


Now I feel stupid because I googled "tow dimensions"

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:44 pm
by christopher1006
Got bored and made a hypothesis based off what little I know of the string theories since I couldn't find anywhere saying if anyone was even to the point of talking about what the string itself is.

If the string itself that is the base sub-particle for all matter is made of pure energy then when when the temperature is lowered to absolute zero you will have successfully destroyed "matter".

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:02 am
by Feud
So...how bout them screaming goats?