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Postby NeatNit » Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:25 pm

I see. Just one thing I don't understand: what happens if you don't show up?

I mean, you have to be trialed. If you don't show up in court, you're only making it worse for when you DO soon enough end up in court. So, what, the bond thing is just a way to make you feel it in your pocket?
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Postby Feud » Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:32 pm

Yep. If you don't show up you lose your money, and generally a warrant is issued at that time for your arrest. It also goes on your record, so whenever you get caught its going to be more expensive to get out if you want to bond out.
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Postby Feud » Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:35 pm

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Feud wrote:Also, that's not a sentencing hearing. It's a bond hearing. He didn't fine her $10,000, he set that as her bond requirement.
What's a bond requirement? (I know nothing about law, not to mention US law)


It means that she either has to put down $10,000 to get out of jail until whenever her trial is, or she needs to find someone to put the money down for her (family, friends, bail bonds company, etc).
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Postby NeatNit » Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:35 pm

Sounds a bit stupid, even on the forgiving side, but I guess stupid people need stupid rules. :P
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Postby Feud » Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:41 pm

A bit stupid to not show up?
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Postby NeatNit » Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:02 am

A lot stupid to not show up, but also stupid to allow the criminals the option to not show up. And the consequences (from what you described) aren't serious enough.
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Postby Feud » Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:38 am

Whether you skip bail is also factored into final sentencing, so there's that to be considered. If the person is considered dangerous, bail an be set pretty high or not given at all. It your family and friends have mortgaged their houses to get you out, and they'll lose it all if you don't show up, it also incentivizes them to make sure you are to court.
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Postby zjoere » Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:41 am

NeatNit wrote:A lot stupid to not show up, but also stupid to allow the criminals the option to not show up. And the consequences (from what you described) aren't serious enough.


Well while they aren't sentenced they are still innocent people. Also locking them all up wouldn't help overcrowding.
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Postby Cooper42 » Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:49 pm

NeatNit wrote:A lot stupid to not show up, but also stupid to allow the criminals the option to not show up. And the consequences (from what you described) aren't serious enough.
The alternative to bail is to lock everyone up who is going to stand trial. Which means imprisoning a lot of innocent people. Or offer bail without any strings attached. (Which is what they do in Scotland.)

My main issue with property-based bail is that freedom simply becomes linked to wealth. We've all seen Shaft and we all know what that means...
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Postby Feud » Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:48 pm

I haven't seen Shaft.
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Postby NeatNit » Sat Feb 09, 2013 8:45 pm

I haven't seen Shaft either.


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Postby paktsardines » Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:59 am

I have seen Shaft, and I still don't know what that means.
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Postby zjoere » Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:31 am

I saw the remake with Samuel L. Jackson, does that count?
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Postby paktsardines » Sun Feb 10, 2013 2:20 pm

Shit, it was a remake?
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Postby zjoere » Sun Feb 10, 2013 4:15 pm

paktsardines wrote:Shit, it was a remake?


Yes I think it was.
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