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Postby microchip08 » Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:15 pm

*watches a tumbleweed woosh past/listens to crickets chirp/hears a dropping pin*
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Postby jelco » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:24 pm

Screw your silence and eat some British power. :) They have apparently been booked by Graspop; put at the very bottom of the list, but I think it's the number one band for me at my fourth Graspop visit. I actually think they're looking at the best line-up they've had in years, even topping my first visit in 2008.

Overall I'm getting pretty excited about this year's festival season. On top of Graspop I'll be visiting two new festivals (Defqon.1 and the legendary Wacken Open Air) and I will be at Lowlands for the second time as crew member. Awesome. :D

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Postby Feud » Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:28 am

elexis wrote:It's so quiet around here.


Indeed. Introversion's hibernation hasn't helped that much, that and the year and a half it's been since Multiwinia leaves us with very little to talk about.

I guess I could start an obnoxious topic, haven't done that in a few years (the gun, religion, and social welfare debates of yore were a blast). But, I don't see many people around anymore who I think would really be that fun to argue with (rkiver was fun due to his over-the-top hatred for religion and guns, and xander and wendryn made the social debates interesting).

Really, unless Introversion decides to water the plants a bit more often (or, heaven forbid, release an alpha or beta :wink: ), I think they're going to be hard pressed to get the level of community support that they have traditionally relied upon. Not that people wouldn't be willing to help out, just that by then things will have dried up and scattered into the wind.

[size=0]Yes, this is another example of me pointing out when IV is making a very poor business decision. It's easy to do so when I'm arm-chairing things from across the pond, being American gives me both a natural sense of hubris and business savvy that my quasi-socialist friends in Europe normally lack. [/size] :P
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Postby Shwart!! » Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:56 am

Well, I'm still around, at least. ;) Never have been very talkative, though, and recently that's just gotten worse. That, and focusing most of my time to certain circumstances, have severely reduced my activity here, though I do still check in to see what's going on. Which hasn't been much, as I'm sure we all know... (whine and grumble, IV need to be more social (:P))

So! For curiosity and conversation, how do you all feel about LGBT people?

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Postby ynbniar » Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:13 am

LGBT?

I liked it but it was a bit cutesy for me...Little Big Planet 2 soon.

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Postby Rkiver » Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:50 am

I'd hardly call it over the top hatred, just more disgust at how people who believe in it enforce their views on others who don't.

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Postby Montyphy » Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:52 am

Shwart!! wrote:So! For curiosity and conversation, how do you all feel about LGBT people?


I dislike their exclusion of S from their group.
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Postby Shwart!! » Wed Jan 19, 2011 12:32 pm

...truly insightful. :roll: :P
(though what do you mean by 'S', Monty?)

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Postby jelco » Wed Jan 19, 2011 1:30 pm

Shwart!! wrote:(though what do you mean by 'S', Monty?)

Really? Make an educated guess. :P

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Postby vanarbulax » Wed Jan 19, 2011 1:54 pm

I'm fine with LGBT people (as in the movement/grouping people within any community will vary), as long as they promise not to add anymore letters. Please, I'm begging, no more damn letters. I mean, QUILTBAG?

Also, I think that emphasizing one aspect as defining a person or a group of people can often be too over reaching, creating norms people are when people are trying to avoid and handing over power to the most vocal and attention grabbing among a group. I know this goes with any sort of "movement" but for something so personal and individual it can be a bit of an issue.
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Postby jelco » Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:11 pm

February 5th/6th is Squeeze time!

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Postby xander » Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:26 pm

jelco wrote:February 5th/6th is Squeeze time!

Jelco

It is also Wendryn's birthday.

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Postby Cooper42 » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:22 pm

The problem with LGBT (aka: the T is not for 'token') as an acronym is that it retains a sense of seperateness between sexualities.

Which is why there is an issue with the acronym blooming as all sorts of 'other' sexualities feel excluded. And there are as many forms of sexuality as names people decide they want to use to express and explain themselves. Which is fine, healthy, and a reflection upon the wonderful multiplicity of sexualities out there.

In which case, an acronym such as LGBT will always be problematic as a 'banner' under which to rally. Other optins such as 'Alterntive sexualities' and 'non-heterosexualities' are also problematic (if more broad) becuase they retain the sense in which anything other than heterosexuality is out of the ordinary.

Being non-heterosexual can be a deeply banal experience.

But there remains a need for political action. And we reside in a realm of identity politics. There are similarties between feminism (more my area) and gay rights.

Both these movements are (in their current waves at least, less so for the 60s/70s radical feminism which is more well knowm and why it gets such a bad rep) challenging that there are any vast differences between men/women, gay/straight/bi etc.

BUT in order to do so, given the way we currently do politics, they must re-inscribe those differences by taking a stand FOR woman/gay/bi positions, and take a stand FROM those positions. As if all people described as 'women'/'gay/'bi' are somehow homogenous, or carry more similarities with each other than with the alternative.

In reality there is as much differentiation between women and other women, gay people and other gay people as there is between women and men and gay and straight people. But the way in which we currently do politics requires that those who fight for rights and equality have a position FROM which they fight it.

Ideally, binary and other classifications such as woman/man, gay/straight/bi should be done away with alltogether. This is what Feminists and 'LGBT' groups should be fighting for. Why maintain the distinction if it is recognised that the distinction is a false one and one which maintains a hierarchy between positions?

But until we are ready to politically and socially do away with these made-up categories for judging and dealing with people, those of us who wish to fight for equality are stuck with taking a tactical stand and fighting FOR something FROM a position. A position we ourselves may find uncomfortable and unfitting, as such broad classifications will never do justice to the nuance of gender and sexuality.

And this uncomfort and unfitting nature of LGBT is why there is so much debate about it between those who would wish to inhabit that posittion as a position from which to fight.
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Postby Feud » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:34 pm

Rkiver wrote:I'd hardly call it over the top hatred, just more disgust at how people who believe in it enforce their views on others who don't.

:P


Well, then at least we get along in that regard. I don't enforce my views on anyone, I think that the decision on whether or not to buy a handgun should be entirely personal. :P

Shwart!! wrote:So! For curiosity and conversation, how do you all feel about LGBT people?


I'm not sure, I've never tried to feel about those people, but I would think that some music and perhaps candles would make the experience more classy for all involved.

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