Yes, great Macs there.

Rkiver wrote:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/5283424.stm
Yes, great Macs there. :P
Rkiver wrote:They shouldn't have used sub standard parts. Simple as really. I was using it as an example that all machines have their pros and cons.
If the new generation macs weren't such a bloody rip off and could be upgraded as easily as pcs, I'd get one. Have it triple boot and I'd be happy.
xander wrote:*snip*
Babylon5 wrote:Stewsburntmonkey wrote:Babylon5 wrote:Somehow, Stews fails quoting.
Heh, I tend to forget that the quote tag requires quotes (ironicly).
I assume the edit for this post was the quotes?
Stewsburntmonkey wrote:Babylon5 wrote:Stewsburntmonkey wrote:Babylon5 wrote:Somehow, Stews fails quoting.
Heh, I tend to forget that the quote tag requires quotes (ironicly).
I assume the edit for this post was the quotes?
Heh, no, I used the auto quotes for that one. I decided the post deserved a smilie, which was added in the edit.
Stewsburntmonkey wrote:Mac Pro ($2500):
* Two 2.66GHz Dual-Core Intel Xeon “Woodcrest” (Core2)
* 1GB (2 x 512MB)
* 250GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
* NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT 256MB (single-link DVI/dual-link DVI)
* One 16x SuperDrive
* Apple Keyboard and Mighty Mouse - U.S. English
* Mac OS X - U.S. English
You'd also have to take into account the ridiculously well designed and constructed case and system boards (4 hard drive bays and upto 16GB RAM).
ShepFan wrote:*snip*
trickfred wrote:ShepFan wrote:Sure, I agree $750 will get you a basic machine. But you corrected xander and said $300, without mentioning all the gotchas. Is that where the "trick" in trickfred comes from?
-ShepFan
Yes, that's it. I'm trying to 'trick' xander into buying a PC, and paying more than he bargained for.
Watch out xander!![]()
Tack on $150 for a 15" lcd or crt, keyboard, mouse - or even less for a kvm switch (if Mac stuff is compatible). Still much less than $750 and Darwinia/Defcon capable.
Have you finished trying to troll my off-hand comment to shreds now?
I misread and misunderstood your post--I thought you were backpedaling on your, "Try about $300 USD or less," comment and agreeing with xander that it costs about $750 to get a basic Windows machine (as you can see by my confused reply). I disagree that I was being picky to read your link and point out there were hidden costs (monitor, kbd, mouse) and risks (discontinued, refurbished model, 2nd-tier manufacturer). Still, within those constraints, I have to agree you are right that xander could get a Darwinia/Defcon-playing machine for under $750. Not $300, but as you say, perhaps around $450, which is still a healthy discount. (Not that he actually wants or would buyone, which makes this part of the thread all the sillier.)trickfred wrote:I was merely making the point that $750 was pretty much way more than he needed to spend to get a Darwinia/Defcon capable machine.
trickfred wrote:ShepFan wrote:*snip*
No apology necessary, really. I kind of felt bad about the 'trolling' comment myself, but I did think you were nitpicking just a bit. I know 'the debate' gets heated, but I really wasn't trying to convert xander to the PC camp or anything - I was just saying that if you shop around, sometimes you can find a bargain that does what you need it to (though maybe not much more).
Have we all kissed and made up yet?
*hugs everyone, breaks out a case of Creemore Springs lager*
Stewsburntmonkey wrote:ShepFan wrote:That'll buy a lot more of a Mac, but none of the major players is yet shipping the Core 2 Duo machine (Dell is listing September shipment as of today), so a real comparison can't be made.
Well the Mac Pro is a Core 2 machine and it is shipping now.
Also the Intel Macs can boot Windows so you don't even have to wait for the port.
ShepFan wrote:* I'm not familiar with the specs of, for example, the mobo & RAM, so I'll assume they're the same as the Mac Pro (1.33GHz dual indendendent FSBs, fully-buffered ECC DIMMs, & so on).
ShepFan wrote:* Joe Average has to buy all the pieces when he builds his first machine. Comparing apples to Apples, you should include the cost of the OS.
ShepFan wrote:* Linux, XP, or OS X, you still have to include the cost of the applications, or the hardware is merely a nice doorstop. It is a big reason to buy a name-brand box, especially a Mac-- you get an integrated system, software and hardware, that does more than most buyers realize, right out of the box. For instance, ou mentioned you do video editing and game programming. All Macs come with that software, plus DVD authoring, and really a pile of integrated software (you can easily incorportate your music or photo library right into your movies & DVD menus without fuss) that do make the machine very useful and add a lot of value, but that home-builders seem to discount. But it does cost money--Visual Studio is $299 or £158, and XCode is included on every Mac. Honestly, it is quite a nice product.
ShepFan wrote:* I think "being at int" means you're a student. This saves you some money on Visual Studio for your PC, but it also saves you £127 (VAT included) on your Mac Pro, due to the student discount.
ShepFan wrote:* 17% VAT! Ouch! That is painful.
ShepFan wrote:* A tangential benefit: When I'm done with my Mac and I upgrade, I have an older, fully functional computer with all-legal software I can recoup some costs on. Home-builders (correct me if I'm wrong) have old chips, maybe mobos, optical drives, etc--my sense is there's less value to recover there.
ShepFan wrote:Finally, I think you must admit that the Mac is pretty darn competitive on price, even ignoring the value in the packaged software.
ShepFan wrote:And even more finally than that, thanks for your civility. The Windows/Mac debate has gotten turned on its head with the conversion of Macs to Intel chips, so here we all are again stirring up old passions and well-entrenched opinions, with all the selective perception that goes with it. I own and work with both, so I'm not as partisan as I sound. But I really feel the need to get the story straight when the public is told something like (not quoting anyone in particular), "Get/Build a XXX, you'll save £500/$940!" I figure if Dell, with their volume buying is ~ $900 more expensive than an equivalent Mac Pro, it's got to be tough for a home builder to do it without skimping somewhere. Anyway, I apologize if I came across as personally critical to you. That was never my intent, only to keep the debate balanced and fair. I know I owe trickfred an apology too--that one comes next.
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