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0.7 million survivors

Postby A8U51V3 M0TH » Sun Jan 29, 2012 1:55 pm

ok i tried to do it again and get as many possible kills Russia V Asia

I think this is upper limit perhaps a little more (0.5-0.6) - but i fired so many nukes at each city and they were all on 0.0 pop!

I dont know if you can get the pop any lower - but perhaps people know better?

those last few nukes were hitting empty citys average of 12-15 nukes per city

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oh it was only possible beacause my opponent opened silos as my bombers were aiming for thailand
i know i should not
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Postby Schubdüse » Sun Jan 29, 2012 5:44 pm

0.2 m pop in default setup. Nukes almost equally distributed by trial. I'm not sure if you can achieve less than 0.2 m pop, if you calculate from the scratch the needed amount of nukes to get the most kills per city.
I think it's impossible to achieve this in a real game.

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Postby Little worm » Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:11 pm

Hehe.Abusive Moth,it wasn`t me.Someone used my nickname again.I never using 4 fleet formation.
Hope the Senator will help me with ip of the player who did that.
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Postby xander » Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:45 pm

The game keeps track of population as an integer that ranges from 0 to something large (pardon me for not caring how large an int is at the moment). Hence when the game states that the population of a city is, say, 0.7 million, what it really means is that the population of the city is between 650,000 and 750,000. When the game says that the population of a city is 0.0 million, there could be as many as 49,999 people still alive in that city. Thus even with every city down to 0.0 million, in a standard game with 25 cities, there could still be as many as 1.25 million survivors.

To get the most kills, remember that each nuke halves the population of a city when it hits. Since the range of city sizes is relatively small, as a power of 2, you basically need to spread your nukes evenly, though the larger cities will each require an extra two or three nukes. You can do the computations by hand without too much difficulty, as well.

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Postby A8U51V3 M0TH » Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:52 pm

he he blackout

if you watch the rec it was a very drunk FF who decided to go anon!

I told her to change her name at the end to make it look like you because i knew you would day something about "stolen" identities!

TY for not dissapointing me!


@ Schub + Xander - Ty for info

now i will try and get that 0.2 million

Blackie game??
i know i should not
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Postby Little worm » Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:17 pm

Thx Moth,but not today.
Your progress is very good,so it will be interesting.
See u on servers,my dear butterfly:)
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Postby Forever Young » Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:32 am

Schubdüse wrote:0.2 m pop in default setup. Nukes almost equally distributed by trial. I'm not sure if you can achieve less than 0.2 m pop, if you calculate from the scratch the needed amount of nukes to get the most kills per city.
I think it's impossible to achieve this in a real game.

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http://forums.introversion.co.uk/defcon/viewtopic.php?p=113327#113327
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this is my best result against a real player. against a cpu my best result was 0.3 or 0.4 pop. against cpu is more not possible, i suspect!
in principal it is must be possible to get 0.0 pop but that mean every nuke have to kill only pop.
that screenshot show us that silos, radars and airbases were killed.
so i have used minimum 6 nukes for killing units(it is not a full screenshot) and 1 nuke is left.
but i think there were together more than 13 nukes left(minus or plus unit killing nukes).
and 13 nukes is enough to bring down to 0.1 pop and maybe i have lost 1 or more nukes in game.
edit: 0.1 pop must be possible!
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Postby Schubdüse » Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:38 am

Err, I have used ALL (very all, all that exist) nukes ONLY on cities!
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Postby Forever Young » Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:43 am

0.1 pop?
0,1 pop must be possible. 0.0 pop is wrong i suspect now.
how did you tested it? can you give me a manual to test it in the same way like you?
where is the proove?
and you are sure that you used 232 nukes in the right way on cities?
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Postby Forever Young » Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:07 pm

xander wrote:To get the most kills, remember that each nuke halves the population of a city when it hits.

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that is not correct, i suspect! 1 nuke will not exactly halves the pop. i think it is variable.
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1. screenshot: 1 hit pop go to 11.1 million pop and 10.3 million dead






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2.screenshot: 1 hit 51.1 million pop and 48.9 million dead






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3.screenshot: city with 100,00 million pop after x(edited: 14 is/was maybe incorrect, not sure, i forgot to count exactly) hits down to o.o million pop and 100,00 million dead
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Postby Schubdüse » Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:19 pm

Forever Young wrote:0.1 pop?
0,1 pop must be possible. 0.0 pop is wrong i suspect now.
how did you tested it? can you give me a manual to test it in the same way like you?
where is the proove?
and you are sure that you used 232 nukes in the right way on cities?


Well Burschi, I think you didn't understand.
I tested it against myself! Do you have a second key?

As green player I placed all nukes (Silos, bases, subs, CVs). As red player I placed only subs and CVs to control the timer.
Afterwards I reduced all red cities to 0,1 m pop. Then I counted my residual nukes and distributed them as equal as possible.
(First city gets a nukes, second city gets a nuke...25th city gets nuke. Cycle finished. Oh, I still have nukes. First city gets a nuke, second city gets a nuke and so on.)
Yes, I'm pretty sure, that I have used all nukes. No bomber was shot by myself. :wink:
And yes, those red CVs were faaar away, to prevent auto launch of fighters.

Schubdüse wrote:I'm not sure if you can achieve less than 0.2 m pop, if you calculate from the scratch the needed amount of nukes to get the most kills per city. I think it's impossible to achieve this in a real game.


My test was certainly not a real game. :wink:
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Postby Forever Young » Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:47 pm

ah i see! with 2 keys! and yes, i have more than 1 key.
andi know, it was not real game
but i am still wondering. you have seen my screenshot with 0.3 pop against a real enemy and it is unimaginable that
more than 13 nukes bring the pop not more down.
but i believe you. düse!

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Postby tllotpfkamvpe » Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:51 pm

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Postby Schubdüse » Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:05 pm

tllotpfkamvpe wrote:So it could be possible to do this with 12 x 25 nukes = 300 nukes

Thinking about it, if every city had equal population it would probably be the worst case scenario and need the most number of nukes. If the game helped out with some odd populations tho, it will take less than 300 nukes.


But you only have 232 nukes at your disposal.
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Postby tllotpfkamvpe » Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:10 pm

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