skynet77812 vs Ace Rimmer, part Deux

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skynet77812 vs Ace Rimmer, part Deux

Postby Ace Rimmer » Mon May 21, 2007 4:27 am

Well, had another close game with skynet. How close, you say? Very close, check out the stats...

Anyway, started off like any other game except I held my navy and bombers back until he came to me. I only launched two bases and one run from four carriers at the start towards the middle east, India to probe and get some early points. Then, I sat back and waited.

Finally, he appeared of northern Russia and I scrambled to take out what I could. With only a minimal force there, I wasn't able to fend off the inevitable fighter rush onto mainland Europe and the mass sub nuke of all but two of my silos. He even got a base out of it.

Once reinforcements arrived (after a bit of naval nuking) and I pushed him back, I sent everything I had south to the Indian. I knew I could beat him there and overpower whatever he had left. The only problem would be whether or not I could take out his silos with only bombers. Thankfully, He revealed his silo position with a launch at my last two in hopes of drawing out the vic timer. Heh, I was counting on him to try that which is why I stay silent most of the game. I knew if I kept most of my nuke reserve intact (minus silos of course) that I could keep the timer from starting too early and give my navy enough time to get in position for a full assault.

Once I arrived in the Indian, I began sending bombers at his silos and picked them off one by one. I ended up having to use four subs to help, then a couple more but eventually got them all. After that, it was simply picking the right cities to target and wait for the points to come back my way.

The vic timer showed up when I was moving to get in range of Tokyo with my last four full subs. Apparently I waited just a few seconds (literally) too long as the score was less than 2m kills different in the end.

Very good game. I hope I surprised skynet, as I was in the negative until somewhere around the vic timer going off and pulled within a hairs breadth of winning.

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Postby skynet77812 » Mon May 21, 2007 2:14 pm

Good game old bean. Looking forward to another one soon!
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Postby Rogviler » Mon May 21, 2007 8:13 pm

That game was insane. And I have to say, Ace, that you got extremely unlucky several times, not just at the end. The phrase "Ships passing in the night" came to mind quite a bit...

Hard to watch when that happens. :)

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Postby Ace Rimmer » Mon May 21, 2007 8:25 pm

? out of curiosity, got any specifics?
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Postby Rogviler » Mon May 21, 2007 9:05 pm

Ace Rimmer wrote:? out of curiosity, got any specifics?


Unfortunately I don't have any screenshots, which would have been nice, but mostly it was when skynet had his fleet coming from the east across the top of Russia. There were several times when you had a scout fighter achingly close to discovering them, but it headed back home. The worst was when you launched a cluster of bombers northeast, they would've been able to discover and take out most of that fleet, but you sent them (as I would have) as a beam/cluster attack into Asia before they reached the ships.

Another one came when you could have used a couple bomber nukes to take out the subs near Scandanavia since they were all grouped, but admittedly there was no way to know they were there.

Finally, skynet kept launching a single bomber to take out cities in eastern Europe. The only defence would have been to send out fighters in that direction at regular intervals, or of course to have set up radar or silos on the eastern front

Honestly, it was all luck, I don't see anything I would have done differently. Especially since I never would've expected someone to send a fleet through the Bering Strait

But there were other times when you got lucky, such as when I thought you were going to surface your subs right next to skynet's battleships in the Indian Ocean, but managed to have your battleships run east and play defence just in time.

Same with the subs you were trying to get closer to Japan, you had them aimed right at a pinging carrier...

I assure you it was as agonizing to watch as it was to play. :)

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Postby Ace Rimmer » Mon May 21, 2007 9:17 pm

Rogviler wrote:
Ace Rimmer wrote:? out of curiosity, got any specifics?


Unfortunately I don't have any screenshots, which would have been nice, but mostly it was when skynet had his fleet coming from the east across the top of Russia. There were several times when you had a scout fighter achingly close to discovering them, but it headed back home. The worst was when you launched a cluster of bombers northeast, they would've been able to discover and take out most of that fleet, but you sent them (as I would have) as a beam/cluster attack into Asia before they reached the ships.

I actually figured he would send a sizable fleet through the Bering over Russia, but figured he wouldn't have much room to move and I could handle whatever he sent there with minimal resources. I sure didn't expect to be mass sub bombed (a few, but not all!) from there. I also figured my southern position was more vulnerable since there is such a wide open area between Africa/USA/Central America for him to manuver in, so I opted to protect that with the bulk of my fleet. It almost worked too, just needed about 3 more seconds on the clock.

Rogviler wrote:Another one came when you could have used a couple bomber nukes to take out the subs near Scandanavia since they were all grouped, but admittedly there was no way to know they were there.

Finally, skynet kept launching a single bomber to take out cities in eastern Europe. The only defence would have been to send out fighters in that direction at regular intervals, or of course to have set up radar or silos on the eastern front

Honestly, it was all luck, I don't see anything I would have done differently. Especially since I never would've expected someone to send a fleet through the Bering Strait

But there were other times when you got lucky, such as when I thought you were going to surface your subs right next to skynet's battleships in the Indian Ocean, but managed to have your battleships run east and play defense just in time.

Same with the subs you were trying to get closer to Japan, you had them aimed right at a pinging carrier...

I assure you it was as agonizing to watch as it was to play. :)

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I was a bit more careful than usual with my subs and only lost one to his bomber, which died directly on top of the sub as it killed it, heh. Of course, they were my only saving grace so I had to be more careful.

One thing I wish I'd done was cross over into the pacific and launch bombers from there instead of staying in the "safety" of the Indian. Of course, I had no idea where his bases were so that played into it.
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Postby Hyperion » Tue May 22, 2007 6:37 pm

Skynet...'luckiest' player ever? :roll:
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Postby skynet77812 » Tue May 22, 2007 8:55 pm

Luck has nothing to do with it.....ITS ALL SKILL!
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Postby Ace Rimmer » Tue May 22, 2007 9:11 pm

If it's all skill, the which is the "better" skill?

A. Jumping ahead early, dominating most of the game (score-wise) and laying waste to the other guys territory, including 60% of his silos.
B. Waiting patiently while the other guy exhausts his resources and a the last moments of the game makes a remarkable and concerted effort using only naval forces to lay relatively the exact same waste to the first guy.
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Postby Rogviler » Tue May 22, 2007 10:13 pm

Ace Rimmer wrote:If it's all skill, the which is the "better" skill?

A. Jumping ahead early, dominating most of the game (score-wise) and laying waste to the other guys territory, including 60% of his silos.
B. Waiting patiently while the other guy exhausts his resources and a the last moments of the game makes a remarkable and concerted effort using only naval forces to lay relatively the exact same waste to the first guy.


I vote for the latter, if it weren't for being in the right places at the wrong times. Read: bad luck.

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Postby KingAl » Wed May 23, 2007 8:08 am

Ace Rimmer wrote:If it's all skill, the which is the "better" skill?

A. Jumping ahead early, dominating most of the game (score-wise) and laying waste to the other guys territory, including 60% of his silos.
B. Waiting patiently while the other guy exhausts his resources and a the last moments of the game makes a remarkable and concerted effort using only naval forces to lay relatively the exact same waste to the first guy.


Ultimately the better skill is whatever you can win the game consistently with (emphasis on consistently - I'm not stating either is better in this instance). Keeping that in mind, the second example is quite a feat, and is certainly the more remarkable skill.

And, on another note to everyone in general, skynet may have been (may still be) a bit bolshy and arrogant, but there's no call for playing down his successes unless he has unnecessarily built them up.
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Postby ynbniar » Wed May 23, 2007 10:33 am

Skynet77812 is very good at 1v1 (jury is out on how good he is when there are multiple enemies to face), much better than me for sure but then about 1% of the games I've played have been 1v1. It's a different challenge from 6p, no doubt.

Not sure how long his "tank rush" naval strategy will be a success though. He does like a big naval grouping of 6 (or is it 12?) battleships + 6 carriers + 12 subs in active mode, with the rest of his carriers sitting back as defence.

In our game I gave his fleet a bloody nose, but wasn't able to follow it up with a decent bomber run.

Mind you, he does claim to have other tactics though I've yet to see them.

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Postby Smiling Buddha » Wed May 23, 2007 11:42 am

I don't see what everyone's problem is with Skynet's tactics - surely the fact that he uses direct or predictable tactics is irrelevant if he wins?

Yes, he did act like a 6 year old with ADHD; but as far as I can tell he's toned down his attitude immeasurably, and he has managed to prove that he is a very good player (1v1 at least), yet still you criticise his playing style?
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Postby KingAl » Wed May 23, 2007 11:47 am

My sentiments exactly.
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Postby Radiant Caligula » Wed May 23, 2007 11:55 am

I've seen him behave more like the adult he claims to be lately. Goody.


I don't care about his tactics. All I know he isn't so successful against experienced players who knows how to be flexible. If he's winning and winning against a bunch of wannabes, it's all fine. But when he finally meets players with superior skillz, his defenses crumble like a sand castle. I'm sure he too will improve his strats, but until he tones it down even more and start reeling in all the big guys, he deserves all the horse manure he asked for.

I have nothing against him, I just don't like big talkers.
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