14:18.11 long game!

[caranthir.pkk]

Based on your experience how would either of you rate me strictly in terms of use of naval units? Honest opinions please.

Hm don't have much conscious recollection but based on my gathered thought I'd say average strategy with above-average microing?

[Gen. Ripper]

im pritty sure that once you reach a specific point in terms of Tactic's then the only thing that can effect the outcome (unless you want a situation were your fleets are reduced to such a point that they become an ineffective striking tool)
is manipulating your "allies" or enemys into taking the big battles for you, while retaining your own fleet assets...

and im terms of Naval tactics, then I would Rate both Ace and Cara as having come to the point were the tactics have been worked out and finished, and it comes down to "people" skill as well and % chances from hits

(I took out two subs last game with 2 fighters before they had even fired their 3rd nukes...that wasnt Tactics imho...that was luck)

[Ace Rimmer]

Hm don't have much conscious recollection...

I'll have to work on that...

... but based on my gathered thought I'd say average strategy with above-average microing?

I'll take what I can get.

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and in terms of Naval tactics, then I would Rate both Ace and Cara as having come to the point were the tactics have been worked out and finished, and it comes down to "people" skill as well and % chances from hits

I sure hope this isn't the case as I would love to be able to improve my tactics. If so, I guess the only thing left (naval wise) is to improve my execution.

[caranthir.pkk]

im pritty sure that once you reach a specific point in terms of Tactic's then the only thing that can effect the outcome (unless you want a situation were your fleets are reduced to such a point that they become an ineffective striking tool)
is manipulating your "allies" or enemys into taking the big battles for you, while retaining your own fleet assets...

and im terms of Naval tactics, then I would Rate both Ace and Cara as having come to the point were the tactics have been worked out and finished, and it comes down to "people" skill as well and % chances from hits

(I took out two subs last game with 2 fighters before they had even fired their 3rd nukes...that wasnt Tactics imho...that was luck)

Thank you I personally feel its a bit of both. I feel that I am very advanced when it comes to manipulating the game and shaping it within my overalls trategy, but I have to work more diligently on playing all naval strategies to the fullest: make re-loading carriers a habit not an exception for example. I did the same with microing fighters and now feel competent in that. Just have to make an effort to always use it

[Ace Rimmer]

Thank you I personally feel its a bit of both. I feel that I am very advanced when it comes to manipulating the game and shaping it within my overalls strategy, but I have to work more diligently on playing all naval strategies to the fullest: make re-loading carriers a habit not an exception for example. I did the same with microing fighters and now feel competent in that

Hmm, I barely have gotten my feet wet with trying to manipulate the game. I feel comfortable enough being able to handle the rest of the world that I enjoy sitting back waiting for the results of others manipulating. However, I will also have to work more diligently on playing "to the fullest".

[caranthir.pkk]

Thank you I personally feel its a bit of both. I feel that I am very advanced when it comes to manipulating the game and shaping it within my overalls strategy, but I have to work more diligently on playing all naval strategies to the fullest: make re-loading carriers a habit not an exception for example. I did the same with microing fighters and now feel competent in that

Hmm, I barely have gotten my feet wet with trying to manipulate the game. I feel comfortable enough being able to handle the rest of the world that I enjoy sitting back waiting for the results of others manipulating. However, I will also have to work more diligently on playing "to the fullest".

Yeah its exhausting to manipulate an entire game, but its also very satisfying. To be honest, after a while it gets old when you play and win with the same strategy over and over. It know it sounds arrogant, but I feel I can win 3/4 games I join playing the "same 'ol" tactic. When you start mixing up the game purely through chatting, its kinda "satisfying"

[Gen. Ripper]

mm but if we accept that micro'ing fighters/bombers/anything and re-supplying carrier's along with other tactics, IE the naval nukes (if used correctly)/Formations/Momentum/Sub use/etc are all tactics we know about and apply to specific situations, then the game boils down to, as Ace states - Execution of said tactics and response to other threats


Of course all these and more tactics work against an unskilled player (aka FNG's) but against someone that reacts the same as you, its timing and % chances imho, so its basicly, yes the player that can react the fastest and bring to bear the mass of their fighting force to a specific point.....

mmmm im thinking in circles here, since massed Forces are great targets for naval nukes... (not to mention massed forces seem to get "stuck" to each other somtimes) anyway, if your competent and so is your enemy, then it does boil down to choice of specific tactic and %'s (and people manipulation)

[Gen. Ripper]

Hmm, I barely have gotten my feet wet with trying to manipulate the game. I feel comfortable enough being able to handle the rest of the world that I enjoy sitting back waiting for the results of others manipulating. However, I will also have to work more diligently on playing "to the fullest".

Same here, my extent of manipluation come from me saying somthing like

"Defence Force issues a Statment - We shall not attack unless directly attacked ourself first, however we shall defend our nation and its people's"

or somthing like that, i try to RP a tad (this is only in 6 player games mind you)

[Ace Rimmer]

mm but if we accept that micro'ing fighters/bombers/anything and re-supplying carrier's along with other tactics, IE the naval nukes (if used correctly)/Formations/Momentum/Sub use/etc are all tactics we know about and apply to specific situations, then the game boils down to, as Ace states - Execution of said tactics and response to other threats


Of course all these and more tactics work against an unskilled player (aka FNG's) but against someone that reacts the same as you, its timing and % chances imho, so its basicly, yes the player that can react the fastest and bring to bear the mass of their fighting force to a specific point.....

mmmm im thinking in circles here, since massed Forces are great targets for naval nukes... (not to mention massed forces seem to get "stuck" to each other somtimes) anyway, if your competent and so is your enemy, then it does boil down to choice of specific tactic and %'s (and people manipulation)

If you are correct, then all I need to do is stay focused in-game and manipulate more and no one will be able to stand in my way...


Naval nukes rarely work against me unless I get carpet bombed, and who does that? (besides me sometimes)

[Gen. Ripper]

Naval nukes rarely work against me unless I get carpet bombed, and who does that? (besides me sometimes)

heh I do! somtimes for fun i task 5-10 bombers and randomly bomb the ocean...I tend to call this Operation Scorced Ocean on chat too

[Ace Rimmer]

It know it sounds arrogant, but I feel I can win 3/4 games I join playing the "same 'ol" tactic. When you start mixing up the game purely through chatting, its kinda "satisfying"

That's because I've only played you 4 or 5 times (that I can remember).

[rome87]

@ gen ripper nice looking maps could u plz post the config for tht map ? thx

[Gen. Ripper]

@ gen ripper nice looking maps could u plz post the config for tht map ? thx

not infact my creation - http://forums.introversion.co.uk/defcon ... php?t=4071 (I use the Retro one)

((thanks to Radiant Caligula for creating these))