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Should we forgive Laika for his cheating or not?

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Postby Colytic » Sun Jul 28, 2013 2:36 pm

Endless wrote:people like Sicilian hound and this colytic nut job pissing and moaning about every little thing. Stop being babies. Know your roles, and shut your mouths.


Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. What roles might these be? Your entire line of thought is like an arrogant ten year old, full of ad hominem and 'I'm in a higher place than you'.
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Postby trickser » Sun Jul 28, 2013 2:50 pm

Laika got reputation for being a good player, but it was cheated. He lied* to get better reputation. His "place"/"role" was cheated. I dont get how Endless cant see this is a big issue.

*I generalized to make my point clear, I dont wanna call Laika a lair per se.
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Postby Colytic » Sun Jul 28, 2013 2:51 pm

Endless has always been somewhat a troll/asshole who likes to yell a lot. I'm not quite sure why anyone takes him too seriously anymore.
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Postby Baton101 » Sun Jul 28, 2013 2:59 pm

Colytic wrote:He has spat in the face of this community and its trust


Voted no...and thats well said.
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Postby Endless » Sun Jul 28, 2013 3:11 pm

trickser wrote:Laika got reputation for being a good player, but it was cheated. He lied* to get better reputation. His "place"/"role" was cheated. I dont get how Endless cant see this is a big issue.

*I generalized to make my point clear, I dont wanna call Laika a lair per se.


It sucks that he cheated. We thought he was this great player. But the overreaction to this is astounding. You are generalizing one player with the whole community.

That being said, you are throwing stones in a glass house. Anyone here who has never cheated at any game that they've ever played should chuck the next stone.
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Postby Endless » Sun Jul 28, 2013 3:12 pm

Colytic wrote:Endless has always been somewhat a troll/asshole who likes to yell a lot. I'm not quite sure why anyone takes him too seriously anymore.



Are you 19 and bi polar? You seem like an alias to Sicilian hound the way you back each other up.
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Postby Colytic » Sun Jul 28, 2013 3:18 pm

Endless wrote:Are you 19 and bi polar? You seem like an alias to Sicilian hound the way you back each other up.


I lol'd.
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Postby Dävid » Sun Jul 28, 2013 3:43 pm

Sure give him a 2nd chance. Living with the shame can be a tough one. If he can live up to it and honour the game why not.

Sure theres a trust issue but it make the community stronger if we are able to get over things!

...and hell have alot of stick to take.
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Postby Ghost Division » Sun Jul 28, 2013 7:11 pm

Endless is right. Life goes on. :wink:

Edit:Btw give laika a second chance. Without his advices i wouldn't have improved my way of playing.
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Postby Forever Young » Sun Jul 28, 2013 7:50 pm

Colytic wrote:He has spat in the face of this community and its trust.

If you are so adamant about granting him a second chance - do it for all. I challenge this community to unban all currently banned players (other than obvious ones such as CE who have committed repeated infractions). Their offenses are typically extremely insignificant compared to Laika's, such as simply nuking an ally in a 2v2. Go ahead - grant them all a second chance. But even that still wouldn't even things out.

Correct!

And if i look in my pm`s from Laika last year in which he is asking to rank him higher and why he is not on the first place, i could puke now!
Laika got reputation for being a good player, but it was cheated. He lied* to get better reputation. His "place"/"role" was cheated. I dont get how Endless cant see this is a big issue.

Also correct! Now i have to puke!

Maybe laika is also in the role of our forum troll?
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Postby LadySnowhitepink » Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:09 pm

i dont read much the forum but that now make me open ears

laika really did that?
they not just joking with us here?
and spacedog just playing in the sky?

maybe he took the game to serious and that made him losing the good way?
maybe we take the game to serious and that make us taking that so hard?

i have not a problem to forgive that
cause that not the question here
the question is "why the hell a good player like him found a need to do that?"
im just sad to hear that
laika just CANT LOSE :!:

we should not send him now to hell (he still did at self)

just if that will happen in a tourney game heads will rolling....
:roll:

anyway you will have a hard time now Laika
i hope you return to the great player you are from yourself
good luck laika
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Postby Endless » Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:25 pm

Laika got reputation for being a good player, but it was cheated. He lied* to get better reputation. His "place"/"role" was cheated. I dont get how Endless cant see this is a big issue.

Also correct! Now i have to puke!

Maybe laika is also in the role of our forum troll?[/quote]

I'm a forum troll?
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Postby Forever Young » Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:30 pm

Endless, for me you are not a troll. Well, all is possible but i hope not!
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Postby Forever Young » Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:36 pm

LadySnowhitepink wrote:laika just CANT LOSE :!:


Maybe!
You know, we have discussed the cheating option for us many years ago, but we never did it.
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Postby Laika » Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:16 pm

Excerpt from dedcon manual:

"Ghosting" is a popular, low tech cheating method; you log in to a server both as a player and a spectator and use the spectator to collect intel to use as the player. More sophisticated methods can't be detected, but a simple IP comparison can stop most cheaters.


First of all I did it because I could. You don't need any special knowledge, time or money investment. Sure I will not do this again, but community can't afford to shoo every suspected ghoster. I thought about mvpe proposal of whitelisted specs; it can be done with 1) putting a simple (1-3 symbol) password on server which is not removed after start, 2) keeping an open registry with all who have the pw (name + part of IP); 3) more people with admin rights on those servers. Unregistered names are banned on sight. Admins can check IP if there are any suspicions, not match -> ban. In before, if it goes any further, as long as I control servers there will be "open' ones - because many people will not like the routine. Sort of a "milder" league.

Secondly, imo some people don't like me breaking image of that "great player" more than cheating itself. I knew about my nice reputation and toyed with it. Because, you know, it's internet.

This one is for FY personally. :P

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Oh, and I don't need cheats to beat or blindnuke anyone. ahahahahaha

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