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Re: I am a cheater

Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:11 pm
by Forever Young
jon wrote:
R3D wrote:
Laika_rus wrote:I used laptop with different IP for ghosting. I was fully understanding what i'm doing, and I banned other people for this on my servers.


I forgive you cheater bastard

but to all those who said I was a bad loser when I said he was a cheater

you owe me an apology


How did you know?

I saw one of these games but i haven`t seen an evidence.

It seems to be a gesture of humbleness.

I can`t see humbleness when i look to the new ejections in forum. It is a troll not more and trolls are sick persons.

Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:36 pm
by jon
trickser wrote:
Ghost Division wrote:
trickser wrote:
Colytic wrote:I do not think this should be forgiven so quickly. It really has exposed a rotten and very hypocritical core of the DEFCON community.

Exactly


But u guys need to take account that he adimitted it, he wasnt caught or anything like that. Everyone needs a second chance.

He admitted it after there has been evidence.

http://arcghost.de/2v2_Default/2013/Jul ... _15_37.zip

He had the balls to make this post, but that means nothing to me until everybody punched him in his face as hard as he can. So do your duty if you have sympathy.

And like he pointed out himself, he is not only a cheater, but also a server host who bans others for lesser things. It's a fucking scandal!


To save you the time of viewing the .rec, here is the horror:

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Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:48 pm
by - Tobias -
jon wrote:Man oh man, this must be a hoax. I must have accumulated 50 hours of losing to a guy I never had a chance against.


I too wish it were a joke, but I gather the OP is an admission of guilt after getting busted. And all the time we wasted .... argh.

1. How was it discovered?
2. So a fatal cheat exists, requiring only 2 boxes with two independent IPs. I guess we all already knew this ....
3. One of the IPs should be banned, on principle.
4. Space Dog deserves a second chance, after payment of penalties.
5. All rankings and honors should be stripped.
6. Solutions need to be considered:
a. Special "serous gaming" servers with no spectators allowed.
b. Somehow allow each player to share vision with spectators (or not)
c. Remove fog of war completely.
I admit both a & b suck to the extent that non-players won't be able to enjoy watching the games, and c changes the game entirely, but at least these might preserve game integrity (i.e., there should be some way to ensure fair competition).

I myself have previously admitted to using an exploit, so I am not perfect, but this ...

Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:04 pm
by trickser
- Tobias - wrote:2. So a fatal cheat exists, requiring only 2 boxes with two independent IPs. I guess we all already knew this ....

In the case your are in control of the servers, you dont need 2 independent IPs, you can just disable the cheat protection.

Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:08 pm
by Colytic
- Tobias - wrote:How was it discovered?


Senator and I vs Laika and Cumiro. Laika dropped from the game and R3D noted that a spectator had left at precisely the same time. He was certain Laika was cheating this way. When Laika got back he admitted to it: Senator and I were extremely pissed-off and the rest took place here on the forums.

I think, however, we do not need to panic so much. Enforcing such restrictions will utterly kill the game. We need a whitelist of player ids for big games; that's all.

Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:34 pm
by Forever Young
- Tobias - wrote:5. All rankings and honors should be stripped.

I done it here for 2012! http://forums.introversion.co.uk/defcon ... 13&start=0

Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:42 pm
by jon
The best experience in defcon is playing in a big tourney game with 15 people watching, so Specs should be kept imho

Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:44 am
by Colytic
jon wrote:The best experience in defcon is playing in a big tourney game with 15 people watching, so Specs should be kept imho


Absolutely; I think the whitelist is the only ideal solution.

Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:56 pm
by The_Doctor
I ruined ake game. Then came back and launched subs from asia.

edit: the middle of asia
edit2: it's ake who cares
edit3 : never on sfcon, arcon/quake, lfo, bert etc.

I learned by tobias game. Blame him.

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:54 pm
by - Tobias -
The_Doctor wrote:I learned by tobias game. Blame him.


Sure, blame me. But I have no idea what you're talking about. I have never run ships on land intentionally; and the few times I've found them there I've never used them. Let's not get carried away with wild unfounded accusations as a result of "Defcon induced paranoia." The Space Dog issue is one thing, and it seems to be working itself out. Please don't meddle with me. I have enough ppl doing so in rl !

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:57 pm
by The_Doctor
- Tobias - wrote:
The_Doctor wrote:I learned by tobias game. Blame him.


Sure, blame me. But I have no idea what you're talking about. I have never run ships on land intentionally; and the few times I've found them there I've never used them. Let's not get carried away with wild unfounded accusations as a result of "Defcon induced paranoia." The Space Dog issue is one thing, and it seems to be working itself out. Please don't meddle with me. I have enough ppl doing so in rl !




jOKE RELAXX

it was post that showed me how to do it and i tried once against noobs in meeningless ake game:
http://forums.introversion.co.uk/defcon/viewtopic.php?t=8978

Don't worry and relax man.

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:10 am
by Zorotama
Laika nooo!!! You killed this game. No no no!

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:41 am
by Siсiliаn Ноundd
Zorotama wrote:Laika nooo!!! You killed this game. No no no!


He did not kill the game. Lui ci ha deluso come un amico tassista, e la fiducia della comunita. Ma nessuno "stoped" giocare a causa di esso.

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 6:59 am
by Zorotama
Defcon will never be the same. It's dead.

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 7:25 am
by The_Doctor
Zorotama wrote:Defcon will never be the same. It's dead.


Grab a puppy and hug it. Trust me you'll feel better.