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Sry, nub, but I strongly disagree. It's like the very old discussion about naval nuking. It has also no "honor".
There were also discussions about banning it in tourneys. Pfft.
i dont think it s the same, the blind nuking make "unfair" setups more unfair and it destroy the game i think (just my opinion)
But especially you are using naval nuking a lot. Conclusion: There is no "honor" in Defcon regarding strats and tacti
normaly i kill the enemy nawy befor def 1 so not true i nuke a lot
There were also discussions about banning it in tourneys. Pfft.
i dont think it s the same, the blind nuking make "unfair" setups more unfair and it destroy the game i think (just my opinion)
But especially you are using naval nuking a lot. Conclusion: There is no "honor" in Defcon regarding strats and tacti
normaly i kill the enemy nawy befor def 1 so not true i nuke a lot
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R3D wrote:Sry, nub, but I strongly disagree. It's like the very old discussion about naval nuking. It has also no "honor".
There were also discussions about banning it in tourneys. Pfft.
i dont think it s the same, the blind nuking make "unfair" setups more unfair and it destroy the game i think (just my opinion)
But especially you are using naval nuking a lot. Conclusion: There is no "honor" in Defcon regarding strats and tacti
normaly i kill the enemy navy before def 1 so not true i nuke a lot
i don`t know something about the old discussion but my opinion is, if a player want to do naval nuking, he should do it. i think he will possibly lose too many nukes and bombers for making important points.
naval nuking is easy to beat off with fighters especially when they are expected. 1 fighter can kill easy min. 2 bombers. but i see that is not the prob here.
and the blind nuking silos thing is not working always fine. i saw many games with blind nuking and it failed epic.
remenber our last game lol
but i am not sure with making setups more unfair. maybe you are right r3d!
if a player is using 6 nukes for each silo the enemy has enough time to shoot back a few nukes. only prob i see is,
his pop will be unprotected and if that happens at the beginning , it would be a desaster.
at the beginning it is nearly always better to kill silos. only double launch silos and /or all subs on cities are better.
blind nuking in the middle in a game will not work very well.
that means the blind nuking thing is mabye destroying some games. and that anti tria trick is not working fine. it is nearly unpossible to make the trick all the time and also many fighters will die.
the question is what will happen if all players will use blind nuking at def 1? it is balancing or destroying games?
i really hope some older players will give more input to this!
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yeah, i see! but banning it or maybe it is something for minicom? maybe possible to bann it till the silos scouted!
but this will be difficult to programm. well, lets see if there will come more input from other players.
maybe make an own thread for it!
but this will be difficult to programm. well, lets see if there will come more input from other players.
maybe make an own thread for it!
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I spent a fuckload of time perfecting my blindnuking so will flip if it gets banned.
Most people launch silos whenever I do now anyway just in case.
Most people launch silos whenever I do now anyway just in case.
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As I said already one time...the discussion about blind nuking is incomplete.
In my opinion is allowed..and honor is untouched by that. And I ever seen blind nuking in my defcon life (cause Ender did that before than I started to play). But one time there was also the ceased fire option that could be used (and I used some times) to make the triangulation impossible (but sure taking some other risks).
I think that it was the best solution..i.e. I am for the maximum of possibiliyes (naval nuking is a possibility, triangulation is a possibility and ceased fire is a possibility..and every possibility has its risk..naval nuking could be mean also waste of bombers and waste of nukes, triangulation could be a wrong intel of silos, and ceased fire a low defence from scout).
The best thing of defcon is the harmony between attack and defence approach..In this case, not allowing ceased fire (I know there is also a different trick to prevent triangulation but is very long and hard to execute it when there is budget time, and finally is unfair) we lose a piece of harmony.
In my opinion is allowed..and honor is untouched by that. And I ever seen blind nuking in my defcon life (cause Ender did that before than I started to play). But one time there was also the ceased fire option that could be used (and I used some times) to make the triangulation impossible (but sure taking some other risks).
I think that it was the best solution..i.e. I am for the maximum of possibiliyes (naval nuking is a possibility, triangulation is a possibility and ceased fire is a possibility..and every possibility has its risk..naval nuking could be mean also waste of bombers and waste of nukes, triangulation could be a wrong intel of silos, and ceased fire a low defence from scout).
The best thing of defcon is the harmony between attack and defence approach..In this case, not allowing ceased fire (I know there is also a different trick to prevent triangulation but is very long and hard to execute it when there is budget time, and finally is unfair) we lose a piece of harmony.
Cease fire will not change anything because it is enemy aircraft which trigger AA fire. You can use it before defcon 3 but in that case i will place 1 base on border and wil scout silos without problem. If it fail i will trace silos after defcon 3 and everybody knows i'm perfect in that work. Jon too. Conlclusion?
You can do anythinng you want but i will continue blind nuke you any case. And will use naval nuking too without excuses. That's defcon, that's reality - live with it or do not play it.
You can do anythinng you want but i will continue blind nuke you any case. And will use naval nuking too without excuses. That's defcon, that's reality - live with it or do not play it.
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Mrmot wrote:Cease fire will not change anything because it is enemy aircraft which trigger AA fire. You can use it before defcon 3 but in that case i will place 1 base on border and wil scout silos without problem. If it fail i will trace silos after defcon 3 and everybody knows i'm perfect in that work. Jon too. Conlclusion?
You can do anythinng you want but i will continue blind nuke you any case. And will use naval nuking too without excuses. That's defcon, that's reality - live with it or do not play it.
Heh.Blindnuker can be beat only by another blindnuker player in close setups.
That's why i still practice on blind.More work to do,but that skill deserves all that hard work.
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@ zorotama: wisely words!
@little worm: exactly! but is that the game spirit? blind nuking already changed all pro games.
@little worm: exactly! but is that the game spirit? blind nuking already changed all pro games.
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Forever Young wrote:@ zorotama: wisely words!
@little worm: exactly! but is that the game spirit? blind nuking already changed all pro games.
Why not? It is part of the game like seanuking,Schubi said all right.
It is the the hardest trick in defcon that deserves to change games.
I think it is a big honor to use it succesfully.
R3D said that he can do it succesfully,but i simply don't believe.
Mot and Jon "wasted" a lot of time to learn this trick.
That deserves some respect.
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