RGeezy911 abusing admin privileges, please help

[RGeezy911]

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[Laika]

Don't you think that you are already applying a bias, and are allowing baton to bypass the TOS entirely because of your connection with him?

I do. I'd also ban him myself if he continued attacking people, I believe it was implied.

[kudayta]

Don't you think that you are already applying a bias, and are allowing baton to bypass the TOS entirely because of your connection with him?

I do. I'd also ban him myself if he continued attacking people, I believe it was implied.

He has continued attacking people Laika. He's earned the ban at this point.

Why did you unban him on Aug 2?

[Zorotama]

Kudayta prevented me to post my words..only because I was accusing him

[Zorotama]

Geesy, this is a mistification..

You have to consider that Laika and Kudayta were first players and then they become also mod and admin of the forum (and Vic too).
The flames that caused the old ban of Baton was patently a sort of a quarrel between "gamefriends" (they know each others before some of them become admin/mod) in which one of them used the power of banning instead of the words (like the owner of the ball when I was young...after a quarrel he took off the ball as last argument). The comunity recognized this conduct and disapprove it (with the same feeling who liked and who disliked the Baton's attitude..and Laika was with us), letting kudayta alone with his little power.

You finally took part in the discussion considering some iperbolical and ironical affirmations of Baton like the real Baton's thinking (omg). You decided to choose a specific point of view that first is the wrong one and then that is the point that all (but kudayta) refused. That's why Baton's ban was revoked.

The lesson is not so that Baton were a problem, the lesson is that you didn't understand what happened in that times. But fortunately in that times the events impeded you to do new worst things. Comunity and the mod/admins (except kudayta) didn't forgive Baton, simply they recognized that he (liked or disliked) doesn't needed to be forgiven.

From a logical point of view you have to erase the past about him and consider this situation as it was the first time you consider the Baton's case, otherwise you show that you never accepted the old decision (by the admins and the comunity too, but kudayta) and that you never understood what happened and that you were only waiting the occasion to do the thing..to repeat a wrong decision.

Your "logic" is: Baton was banned/unbanned many times..so he is a troublemaker (and above all he said I am nothing)..so I ban him (although the defcon admins think different) and I proove to all that I am somebody.

But Baton was banned/unbanned many times only because he was in the unlucky part of the line, because the mods/admins that banned him didn't behave like mods/admins, and you are certifying, fortifying and immortalizing with a wrong unfair base a new wrong decision.

The real fact is that kudayta doesn't show a balanced attitude as moderator of this forum and you seems to fortify this..

Geesy, you are in time to do the right thing. Revoke the ban..and respect the defcon admins, they were doing the right thing in the right way. You are covering yourself of ridicolous and perpetrating an injustice.

Be beyond the parts, don't follow the little part of a little player that become a little mod.

[kudayta]

Kudayta prevented me to post my words..only because I was accusing him

Because you were insulting. We're trying to have a serious conversation here.

I gave you a chance to behave Zoro. I'm banning you for 30 days.

[Laika]

He has continued attacking people Laika. He's earned the ban at this point.

Why did you unban him on Aug 2?

So he did.

I hoped with time passed everybody would calm down.

[kudayta]

He has continued attacking people Laika. He's earned the ban at this point.

Why did you unban him on Aug 2?

So he did.

I hoped with time passed everybody would calm down.

It's not that anyone is particularly hyped up, at least I'm not.

I was asked to moderate this forum because at the time we had no moderation at all. All sorts of piss-poor behavior was going on. And despite what some people seem to think, I'm not doing this because of some ego trip or that I'm power hungry. I'm doing this because the place needs to be cleaned up, and RGeezy's right about the fact that a lot of the problems are due to some of the long time users. They somehow got a pass and think they're above the rules now.

And I get it, banning and moderating the posts of long time users isn't going to win me any friends. I've got plenty of friends already though.

With Baton though, he's shown himself to be incapable of behaving appropriately. Despite our patience with him, he's just not cut out for this.

[trickser]

Kudayta prevented me to post my words..only because I was accusing him

Because you were insulting. We're trying to have a serious conversation here.

I gave you a chance to behave Zoro. I'm banning you for 30 days.

Why you are doing this? We finally get Rgeezy to talk with us and you need to create anger and potentialy derail the topic.

Also Zoro is spot on. There is nothing that favors your judgment over Batons other then the status quo.

You insult people all the time, just way more subtile, secretly seeking for somebody to understand and acknowledge your insult. If Zoro thinks I'm an idiot I will at least know it.

Kudayta, you are very obviously on an ego trip, you ban/shutdown people when they insult YOU. Baton, Zoro, Max the Master. This just gives more reason to insult you. In fact it is the only kind of moderation action from you I'm aware of. So don't tell me you enforce laws because you believe in thier effect. Actually I hope you lie to us about your motives, cause if you believe in what you said you have the emotional intelligence of a child, unabled to reflect beyond basic emotions like anger.

Look guys you are way too sensitive when some forum rants and insults are happening. All these things have causes. By making folks quiet you don't change the causes. You just make it worse.

It is a multiplayer game, do you expect us to fall in love with each other after losing and being mogged about it? Should we win and not mog but feel sympathy for our opponent instead of celebrating?

[Abu Jazar]

+1 @trickser

[kudayta]

Trickser, if you think this is an ego trip then you're wrong. If you think I'm only banning people when they insult me then you're wrong. If you think I begin insulting people when they disagree with me then you're wrong.

I am doing my level best to be consistent in my application of the rules. I am but one man though.

I'm sorry that you don't like the way I do things. You never have. I'm not going to change for you though. Because I know you think any disagreement with you is prima facie evidence of dishonesty.

[trickser]

Because I know you think any disagreement with you is prima facie evidence of dishonesty.

I didn't say I think of you as a lair. I said I think of you as not having developed anger-mangement in your life and that I'm so uncomfortable to imagine an obviously intellectual man that way I rather wish you would be a lair.

Edit: Right, I said you insult people in a way they don't understand it. That is dishonest.

I am doing my level best to be consistent in my application of the rules. I am but one man though.

Excuse me, what? You apply the rules consistent, but the reason it appears biased is that you don't have enough time for consistency? That's absurd. Either you are consistent or you are not. Since you say you can't be because of lack of time then you should not do it at all, you just transform the rules into abitary choices that way, effectively not having any rules at all.

I'm not going to change for you though.

Yes, I can't imagine a way either how to make you understand what's so wrong. Maybe best would be to seek to remove you from the spot instead of talking to you.

Edit: And ego trip, by not ignoring Zoros little snobbism the topic switched over to your persona, needless.

[Laika]

Yeah, the point of the thread is getting feedback from IV.

[Endless]

Yeah, the point of the thread is getting feedback from IV.

No, the point of this thread is to piss and moan about a power struggle between the powers at be.

This all started because Baton could not follow the rules. He was given chance after chance after chance to correct himself, and should have stayed banned after the perma ban was put on. There were rules (TOS) that are put into place for this. That is the point of enforcing the rules/laws/policies, correct?

Having background on enforcement of laws/rules/policies I ask you guys this: at what point do warnings and laws become no longer relevant? When they are not enforced. When baton was given all of these chances, and continued to break them, he tied the hands of the mods that were trying to enforce them. I don't blame Kud or rgeezy at all in that matter. I'd keep banning him every time he tries to come back because he's shown he can't abide by the rules. And if Zoro was indeed given a warning, and he continued on his path, he can't be allowed to do that.

I also want to make clear that undermining your fellow authorities is a cardinal sin of trust. It was a damned snowball effect when this whole thing started. And I blame Vicious for not standing by his fellow mods and admins in the first place in supporting batons ban. Hell, you even let Sicilian back. What good is having Kud and laika around if you continue to do that? Then, we have an outsider come in and undermine Vic. That cannot happen.

None of this should have happened in the first place. If someone makes a decision, it should be kept as final. You don't bend, you don't break. There should be no exceptions.

[Colytic]

This isn't about Baton. This is about RGeezy!

My driving force is the fact that these forums are the face of Introversion. I don't think the Staff fully realize this. I wanted to improve the general environment just enough to show new members that this community is open to everyone, and to show the staff that this website actually matters to their company. It's where their consumers give feedback - their paying members.

This is the very thing that needs to change!

We need them to first understand the importance of this website.

Geezy, spare us the self-important and amateurish lectures on the 'corporate ideals' you want for a forum and community you have never been part of. It is insulting, for two reasons. Firstly, you were quite obviously never asked to do the job you are now doing, and certainly not by us. Secondly, your belief that moderators should serve a kind of nanny role, sweeping any negativity under the carpet in pursuit of some bizarre ideal of spruceness, has never been the attitude Introversion - nor its various admins over the years - has taken to its users here. Many of us have been here a long time. We don't care what you want, nor do we recognize your legitimacy.

Since you don't appear to be of any greater rank than Vicious or Laika, I ask on what authority you are attempting to overturn their decision? If anything, they have been with Introversion much longer than you have. Know your place.

PS: Zoro being banned is a travesty.