Accused of cheating for the first time

[FiveDollarYoBet]

Wow, just played in a match (6 ply, N v S) and I got acused of cheating. I was NA and the accuser was SA. Two minutes into defcon1 he launches from his silos. Luckily my bombers were already airborne and I had subs within range. I have to admit, once he started accusing me of using a bot(?) and cheating I made sure that I unloaded every nuke I had at him.

I guess people handle getting pummeled differently. He was decent and didn't shut down the server.

-FiveDollarYoBet
"This is Lawrence. This is Lawrence, Kansas. Is there anybody there? Anybody at all?"

[MadSeven]

So how did he think you cheated? By launching your bombers early??

[FiveDollarYoBet]

I don't know and he wouldn't say. He kept going on about how he had proof that I was using a bot (which I don't understand. Isn't a bot just a cpu player?). The he started going on asking how many chances should I be given to stop cheating before he bans me. Eventually he stopped accusing me and must've walked away from the game (he was hosting so at least he didn't shut it down).

He never did present me with any of the "proof" that he had from the game logs.

How can you launch your bombers early? I launched mine about 2 min before defcon1.

-FiveDollarYoBet
"This is Lawrence. This is Lawrence, Kansas. Is there anybody there? Anybody at all?"

[KingAl]

In other games, small programs can be used to auto-aim for you and the like. I'm not sure how such a 'bot' could be applied to Defcon, though: as far as I know, your client only knows what you can see.

[FiveDollarYoBet]

Yeah, I've heard of aim bots and stuff from Battlefield 2 but I thought the only way to cheat in Defcon was to communicate with a spectator via IM or phone or something.

-FiveDollarYoBet
"This is Lawrence. This is Lawrence, Kansas. Is there anybody there? Anybody at all?"

[gerph]

Yeah, I've heard of aim bots and stuff from Battlefield 2 but I thought the only way to cheat in Defcon was to communicate with a spectator via IM or phone or something.

Yeah, and that involves precisely zero technical knowledge. And can be prevented from happening by disabling spectators - please don't though, 'cos I love spectating

There is, however, a more technical way to cheat which isn't monitorable by any of the other players and which can give you an advantage, particularly in diplomacy games. Sadly there's nothing as players that you can do to avoid it. I doubt this was what the complainer was talking about.

[PsychicKid]

We call these sore-losers and morons.

Like the one guy who fell victim to my massive nuke launch about an hour into the game. I told everyplayer I would have a launch on warning policy, and I would launch my entire arsenel.. Well, he launched at my navy with Bombers. Guy wouldn't shutup about realtime, neither would anyone else, but picking targets with about 130 nukes takes a while.

End-result: He got last place with about 9m people left.

[el_cascador]

Thats just plain evil

[Spacemonkey]

Apart from talking to spectators (which can be disable), it's impossible to cheat in defcon, just because of the way the game works. Anyway kind of cheat applied by a person, would be incompatible with the other players defcon, and would cause an 'out of sync' error.

[MrBunsy]

Apart from talking to spectators (which can be disable), it's impossible to cheat in defcon, just because of the way the game works. Anyway kind of cheat applied by a person, would be incompatible with the other players defcon, and would cause an 'out of sync' error.

As per current thinking, I still highly doubt it's impossible to cheat, just quite hard. Something may be possible with external tools, or some very very complicated spoofing. But so long as there aren't ranks, I don't personally think anyone will actually bother.

[Slinken]

We call these sore-losers and morons.

Like the one guy who fell victim to my massive nuke launch about an hour into the game. I told everyplayer I would have a launch on warning policy, and I would launch my entire arsenel.. Well, he launched at my navy with Bombers. Guy wouldn't shutup about realtime, neither would anyone else, but picking targets with about 130 nukes takes a while.

End-result: He got last place with about 9m people left.

Poor him i wonder what he said when all your nukes came

mumy these big boys are mean to me

[NORAD]

He's a coward. Don't worry about it.

[TheHappyFriar]

i believe if you buy another SN, you can run another copy & logs in to a game twice, once as a spectator & once as a player. I've done player vs player on my comp but never tried spectator. Is that considered cheating or a "tactical advantage"?

[FiveDollarYoBet]

That would definitely be considered cheating. That's why I always feel more comfortable in a game without spectators.

-FiveDollarYoBet
"This is Lawrence. This is Lawrence, Kansas. Is there anybody there? Anybody at all?"

[Jcbturbo]

Hi everybody
perhaps some people get confused between chaeting and unfair play,
I have been on servers to see and feel everyone seemingly targeting one player,
it certainly feels like your being cheated when on the recieveing end,

at a guess where 5 dollar is concered, I would assume the other player did not lauch his bombers untill defcon 1
where as 5 was airborne,
I say this because I wasnt aware myself that the bomber would change from naval to nuke if it took of b4 defcon 1,
what is interesting is why didnt his fighters shoot you down,